Re: Outlook Live??
- From: Rick Boza <rickb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Exchange List <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:54:22 -0500
Admittedly my responses are all too often catch as catch can, but I'd point
you to
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/guides/E2k3RPCHTTPDep/
1583ab17-f7d1-41c1-ba52-37ec276e3644.mspx as a pretty good walkthrough of
the process.
Also useful might be
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/8/8/188ab94a-4ec5-4746-ac0f-a181770
40fbf/ISA2004SE_exchangekit-Rev%201%2005.doc
My Google-Fu comes in handy once again...
On 1/20/05 11:36 AM, "Andrew English" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> http://www.MSExchange.org/
>
> Al,
>
> "Setting up the inrastructure is not tough. It's well documented and
> easy enough (what do the developers say about it? Next next next finish.
> Done. :)"
>
> Really? I have yet to find anything on Microsoft's site which points to
> your analogy that setting up RPC over HTTP on Exchange 2003 and ISA 2004
> is that simple. Even Tom's documentation is clear if you are running
> everything on one Windows 2003 Server Standard Edition (DC), like he
> does.
>
> I have asked repeatedly for information pointing to how it's done in
> this message forum over the past couple of months, so why do I get the
> feeling that there is something wrong with the picture if you haven't
> offer to show how easy it is?
>
> Andrew
>
> Put your money were your mouth is.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:Al.Mulnick@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:18 AM
> To: [ExchangeList]
> Subject: [exchangelist] Re: Outlook Live??
>
> http://www.MSExchange.org/
>
> American has nothing to do with it. You were ambiguous in your request
> for
> feedback and your understanding RPC/HTTP and how to deploy it seems to
> lack
> some information.
>
> How tough is it? I've not had much difficulty. I'm betting Rick didn't
> either ;)
>
> Office Live? I don't see anything that shows this to be RPC based at all
> and
> would be surprised if MSN started supporting RPC and the overhead. Have
> you
> verified this is RPC vs. just straight HTTP using .NET passport for
> authentication? I could see a shim that hooks passport for
> authentication
> and pulls email off the web into a pst. Wouldn't be terribly tough for
> them
> to do. It also wouldn't be the first time would it? Seen Outlook
> Express
> lately? They dropped that support a little while back, but it looks
> like it
> came back, no?
>
> The setup for office live is nice and easy, yes. But it can be just as
> easy
> if not easier for RPC/HTTP as well. Especially if it's scripted or
> otherwise setup. In fact, you can have your users configure it via
> script
> deployed to them (if that's your model) downloaded by them, or using
> whatever delivery mechanism you employ. It's not difficult to do and
> it's
> pretty well documented last I checked.
>
> Setting up the inrastructure is not tough. It's well documented and easy
> enough (what do the developers say about it? Next next next finish.
> Done.
> :)
>
> Security concerns? What are they? And how do these companies deal with
> other web app security? Or do they?
>
> Andrew, I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deragotory way, but it comes
> across as rude when you bring someone's country into the conversation.
> It
> would be easier to have these conversations if you didn't do that with
> anyone from any country.
>
> -ajm
>
> P.S. Paul talks about the setup using script here:
> http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/40018/40018.html
> You can find plenty of information about planning and deploying this at
> http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/library
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew English [mailto:andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:58 AM
> To: [ExchangeList]
> Subject: [exchangelist] Re: Outlook Live??
>
> http://www.MSExchange.org/
>
> You are obviously are from North American judging why you are so
> confused on
> what I said.
>
> I made my point very clear by saying it would make things easier to
> companies to want to provide a safe secure way to allow their clients to
> use
> Outlook over net without getting into the hassle of setting up RPC over
> HTTP
> on Outlook; this leaves it open that yes one may have to still setup RPC
> over HTTP on Exchange.
>
> There are TONs of companies who would the Outlook Live part if it were
> easy,
> secure and safe to install. Currently a lot of them don't even use RPC
> over
> HTTP because of the head aches that are involved with setting it up.
>
> This has nothing to do with becoming an ISP. It's the principle of how
> it
> works that I am after.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Boza [mailto:rickb@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:40 AM
> To: [ExchangeList]
> Subject: [exchangelist] Re: Outlook Live??
>
> http://www.MSExchange.org/
>
> What exactly are you wanting Microsoft to provide with Exchange? You
> want
> them to act as a service provider?
>
> I don't get your point - what function of RPC/HTTP do you think you are
> missing that this provides, the automation of setup on the client side?
>
> I guess I don't get it - the functionality provided is just using OL2K3
> with
> SP2 - the only addition I see is who provides the service.
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
>
> On 1/20/05 10:16 AM, "Andrew English" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.MSExchange.org/
>>
>>
>> Here is the link from Microsoft:
>>
>> http://membercenter.msn.com/Loc/en-us/MOOL.htm
>>
>> It seems like Microsoft is offering another way for users to RPC over
>> HTTP with their Hotmail and Passport accounts though .net. This would
> be
>> so much better if it were available on Exchange, less hassle to do
> setup
>> Outlook for RPC over HTTP. What does everyone think?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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