Well, Mordechai, I have to say that I'm glad you're not testing our students :-) They DO memorize their presentation, but I don't think that that negates their accomplishments. My experience shows that memorization does help students develop oral skills. (As that's not the topic of this thread, I won't go into that at length, but I can give further examples if you like.) What concerns me more is that you have added on restrictions that are not part of the testing rubric, which really makes the testing experience unfair to the students and totally subjective. Here are the criteria for a 4-5 point oral presentation on the project: · Presentation is well-organized and includes: introduction, summary of main ideas and conclusion · Presentation is sustained and detailed (talks for about three minutes) · Personal perspective is included · Presentation is spoken rather than read from notes First, to have it well-organized, it must be prepared at home. That's what a presentation is by nature. OK, obviously very few of us give presentations by memorizing the whole thing from beginning to end, but there's nothing actually wrong with that. Second, all it says is that it cannot be read from notes - NOT that it cannot be said from memory. So you're adding on a condition that was not given by the Ministry - I can't imagine how upset students who worked hard to prepare their presentation according to the criteria must feel when you stop them after a few seconds. And I'm really surprised that their teachers haven't said anything to you - I certainly would. All the best, Rivka Mordechai wrote: I for one agree with your tester "our well prepared students were very upset." is actually a euphemism for students who memorised summaries they wrote at home. Does such a memorized speech tell us much about the communication skills of that pupil? I think not. When I hear such a memorized artificial speech I stop it after a few seconds. ----------------------------------------------- ** The ETNI Rag ** http://www.etni.org/etnirag/ Much more than just a journal ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------