Yes, Liz, I see what you mean. Many students would be able to deal with this pretty easily. There are other places where they will run into similar situations. If the title of a book contains a numeral, it will be different on the title page and at the beginning of the text. I have also run into a similar situation when making a diagram, where points labeled with capital letters will not have a letter indicator, but a question about the point will refer to "point B" with a letter indicator. My inclination is generally to go ahead and follow the code, assuming the student will ask if they don't understand that these are two ways of writing the same thing. However, if you know or believe that it would be too confusing for a particular student, I see no problem with using literary braille in referring to the page number, even within the text. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hawkins, Liz Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:11 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Letters and Numbers Lynn, That helps me in the text part of the book. But my question is that the reference page number is in literary and in the text we are in nemeth. The two will not match. -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lynn Carroll Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:45 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Letters and Numbers Dear Listers, I'm not "expert", but I have taken the Nemeth Braille class. If you are using Nemeth braille, the correct answer is: no letter indicator; no numeric indicator; yes multipurpose indicator. The braille in dot numbers for C54 would be: 6, 1-4, 5, 2-6, 2-5-6 In ASCII that's: ,c"54 Here is some explanation: Letter indicators are mostly only used in Nemeth with letters that stand alone or are single letter abbreviations or are the same as a short-form word, NOT when they are right next to (no space) a number. Numeric indicators are mostly only used in Nemeth after a space or after a minus sign that follows a space. (There are exceptions to both of these; it wouldn't be braille if there weren't!) When a number follows a letter, it is assumed to be a subscript in print. To show that the 54 is not a subscript, the "multipurpose indicator," dot 5, is used. See section 177(ii) of the Nemeth Code or print page 202 of "An Introduction to Braille Mathematics." To get Duxbury to do this either: a) edit the translated braille or b) In addition to being in "technical context" [tcs], surround the expression with [ts] and [te]. This can be done from the Layout menu, math codes by typing n for "technical notation" or by entering the codes individually. Between the C and 54, place the code [bline], which can be accessed from Layout, math codes by typing m for "baseline/multipurpose indicator." You probably didn't want to know all this, but that's what the DELETE button is for. Lynn Carroll, volunteer transcriber Utah Schools for the Deaf and the Blind USA -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sandy Rathjen Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:51 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Letters and Numbers I've been looking all morning for your answer! Don't know for sure, but here are my thoughts. (For what they're worth :-) ) I have found no rule saying not to use the English letter indicator in this situation, so I would use it. Brailling the numbers without the numeric indicator may be correct, but might be confused as punctuation, so I believe that the numeric indicator should be used. No spaces anywhere in the expression.. I'm sure you are already using the Nemeth parentheses (dots 12356 and dots 23456). Interestingly enough, DBT, in Math Code, Technical Context, uses the letter indicator but not the numeric indicator. MegaDots, in the Nemeth (BabyNemeth) Style uses the numeric indicator but not the letter indicator. I am in the United States. If you are elsewhere, this may be all wrong!!! Is there an "expert" that can give a more definitive answer? lhawkins@xxxxxxx wrote: What I am dealing with is the numbers in the book are C34, D54, etc., etc. Then in the text these page numbers are referred to. This is a science book. -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sandy Rathjen Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:51 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Letters and Numbers Could you be more specific about what you need to braille? (Actual text and context) We'll get some answers! lhawkins@xxxxxxx wrote: How do I reference (C34) print page numbers inside scientific notation? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- How do I reference (C34) print page numbers inside scientific notation? What I am dealing with is the numbers in the book are C34, D54, etc., etc. Then in the text these page numbers are referred to. This is a science book. -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sandy Rathjen Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:51 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Letters and Numbers Could you be more specific about what you need to braille? (Actual text and context) We'll get some answers! lhawkins@xxxxxxx wrote: How do I reference (C34) print page numbers inside scientific notation? How do I reference (C34) print page numbers inside scientific notation? * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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