Bill, If you do not manage to replicate it, then I suggest that this really is evidence that we're tangling WindowEyes up on some systems with that architectural issue I alluded to earlier. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Herzler Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:09 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and previous page" Please send me a file you are having trouble reading and then lets try to set up a time where you can call to go over this. I don't have a problem reading a file sutch as our manual and in order to duplicate this here I want to have us with the same file and doing the same steps to see what I get here. The file should be sent to billh@xxxxxxxxxxx, and the phone number is 260/489-3671 regards, Bill At 02:59 PM 7/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi Bill: > >When I wrote to you yesterday, I was too tired to elucidate my main problem. >This is that, Window-eyes will not read a print file correctly. >However, I don't want to rule out the possibility, that this is >something unique to my system, and may well have nothing to do with >Window-Eyes. The concept I haven't fully grasped, is the offset when assigning window co-ordinates. >Window-eyes works very well for me when reading a braillle file with a >braille display. > >Cheers > >Jack > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Herzler" <billh@xxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:36 PM >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next >and previous page" > > > > Peter, > > > > Thanks. I appreciate that. I spoke with him yesterday and we are > > going to try and get a list together so we can perhaps narrow something down. > > > > We do have an issue where alt-s isn't reading the status line. it > > says >ine > > olumn instead of line, and column for example. We aren't sure what > > is causing this osm corruption but we are still looking in to it. > > > > Regards, Bill > > > > At 05:41 PM 7/22/2004, you wrote: > > >Bill, > > > > > >Don may also be able to help replicate the problem and distill some > > >step-by-step instructions. > > > > > >If you do find the problem, and need some help from the DBT team to > > >get >it > > >resolved, we'll be here. > > > > > >- Peter > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >On > > >Behalf Of Bill Herzler > > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:41 PM > > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to > > >next and previous page" > > > > > >Jack, > > > > > >Can you be more specific as to your problems with DBT and Window-Eyes? > > > > > >You say that we can't read the entire line and that you can't read > > >a >whole > > >document using Window-eyes. I am not having that problem here > > >after translating section 1 of the Window-eyes manual. > > >I am using an alva satelite with Window-Eyes 4.5 sp3 under Windows XP. > > >The document shows on the braille display here. > > > > > >Since I am not totally femilar with all the different things you > > >can do >in > > >Duxbury as others are on this list, what I need from you and anyone > > >else seeing this, is exact step by step instructions key strokes > > >etc. and a document that you are having problems with reading. > > >Please leave nothing out and I will attempt to duplicate and see if > > >we >can > > >solve the problmes you are having asap. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >Regards, Bill > > > > > >At 12:05 PM 7/22/2004, Jack Maartman wrote: > > > >It certainly does. I am still trying to coax DBT to print to > > > >file, so I can start replicating the bahaviour on a device that > > > >only displays one line at a time. > > > > > > > >Another thing I'd like to add, but off thread, is that DBT is > > > >performing very poorly with Window-eyes. I spoke to Don about > > > >this, and the problem would seem to rest with Window-eyes, and not DBT. > > > >Window-eyes will not read a complete line, and certainly can't be > > > >used to read a document. I can however, read any file when any > > > >translation table is in effect using a screen reader without a > > > >braille display, although it's a bit slow. I'd like to see this > > > >resolved for the new release, and will certainly contact GWMicro, if you find this useful. > > > >I'd like to be very clear about the problem, so I can be as > > > >succinct >as > > >possible. > > > > > > > >Jack > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > >To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:47 AM > > > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to > > > >next and previous page" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > > > > > As I read your first question, I can read it one of two ways. > > > > > I'll answer it each way. > > > > > > > > > > When reading "Formatted Braille" files, DBT counts lines up to > > > > > a certain maximum value. The maximum is set in the "Global, > > > > > Formatted Braille Importer" dialog. However, if the checkbox > > > > > "Preserve formatting..." in > > > >that > > > > > dialog is checked, then the maximum line count is taken from > > > > > the page > > > >setup > > > > > of the dialog being created. That is, it is taken from the > > > > > template or, > > > >if > > > > > the template is one we distribute, from your Global, Embosser Setup. > > > > > DBT determines that there is a page break in the "Formatted Braille" > > > > > file when that maximum line count is reached, or when it reads > > > > > a > > >formfeed. > > > > > > > > > > When formatting documents on-screen and for printing or > > > > > embossing, DBT counts lines as it places text on the page. > > > > > When the number of lines that your page should contain is > > > > > reached, it goes to a new page. It may go to > > > >a > > > > > new page without filling all the lines if some number of lines > > > > > are to be kept together insofar as possible. This is > > > > > indicated with the [kps] and [kpe] commands. Moreover, DBT > > > > > may use the last line of each page for a running footer. > > > > > > > > > > Your second question is an interesting one. I believe that > > > > > DBT does a > > > >good > > > > > job of reformatting documents for different embossers. And we > > > > > certainly believe that, in every case, the on-screen document > > > > > will match what you > > > >get > > > > > from your embosser. Exceptions to this typically occur when > > > > > your embosser is configured one way, but you tell DBT that it > > > > > is configured a different way. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this answers your questions. > > > > > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > >On > > > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go > > > > > to next and previous page" > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > How does DBT calculate pages, does it count form-feeds, or lines? > > > > > Does it mean that if you format a file for two different > > > > > embossers, it can count acurately? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:25 AM > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Problems with the "go to page" and "go to > > > > > next and previous page" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have two questions as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > When you press <CTRL+G> to go to a specific page, the > > > > > > program will often come up with a message telling you that > > > > > > you cannot go to that location. However, when you press the > > > > > > <ENTER> key, you will invariably find yourself at the > > > > > > location you requested regardless of the previous message. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that DBT comes up with that message because it > > > > > > cannot calculate accurately enough, for example, where the > > > > > > top-of-the page is on certain pages. > > > > > > > > > > > > A good idea might be to use the same or similar system that > > > > > > WordPerfect used, that is: > > > > > > > > > > > > [spg], which stood for "soft page break". This code > > > > > > indicated when a page was filled up and a new page began. > > > > > > You would see this code when paragraphs, list and outline > > > > > > items spread across page boundaries from one page to another. > > > > > > > > > > > > [hpg], which stood for "hard page break". This code was > > > > > > used when you wanted to end the current page and start a new page. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if DBT used such a system, then the go to page function > > > > > > could search for the [spg] or [hpg] codes, calculate the > > > > > > number of codes to reach that location and place you at the > > > > > > top of that page that you requested. > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings me onto another function, that is the > > > > > > <CTRL+PGDN> "go to next page" and the <CTRL+PGUP> "go to > > > > > > previous page commands, which at present do not work as they really should. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although these keystrokes do move the cursor to the next and > > > > > > previous page, in my experience they do not move the cursor > > > > > > to the top of the page by default, which should be the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example: If you have a braille file on-screen that contains > > > > > > 50 pages of text and the cursor is on "page15 line5 column1, > > > > > > you press <CTRL+PGDN> to go to top of page 16, the status > > > > > > line should say > > > > > > "page16 line1 column1", logically, this is where the cursor > > > > > > should be located but, in my experience when you read the > > > > > > status line it actually reads "page16 line5 column1", which > > > > > > is the same line and column positions as the previous page. > > > > > > This might vary depending on format codes and styles that > > > > > > might be in effect at that location in the file which might > > > > > > force DBT to place the cursor as near to "column1" on "page16 line5" as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Likewise, if you want to move the cursor from its current > > > > > > location which is "page 16 line5 column1" an move it to the > > > > > > top of page 15 You should have to press <CTRL+PGUP> once to > > > > > > move the cursor to the top of "page 16 line1 column1", which > > > > > > is the top of the current page and then press the > > > > > > <CTRL+PGUP> again to move the cursor to the top of the > > > > > > previous page which is "page15 line1 > > >column1". > > > > > > > > > > > > >From my experience this is not the case. If the cursor is > > > > > > >on > > > > > > >"page16 > > > > > > line1 column1" and you press <CTRL+PGUP> the cursor moves to > > > > > > the previous page with the same line and column location, > > > > > > that is > > > > > > "line5 column1", depending on the format or style codes that > > > > > > might be in effect at that location in the file which might > > > > > > force DBT to place the cursor as near to "column1" "page15 line5" as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like the "go to" command if DBT used codes such as [spg] and > > > > > > [hpg] to indicate hard and soft page breaks, Dbt could > > > > > > search for these codes to accurately place the cursor at the > > > > > > top of the next and previous page when the <CTRL+PGDN> and > > > > > > <CTRL+PGUP> key >combinations > > >are used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Durber > > > > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > > > > * unsubscribe > > > > > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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