[duxhelp] Re: British Braille

  • From: "David Spybey" <dspybey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:09:44 -0000

Dear Jo


It is good to hear from you. 


I wonder if, in your response below, you assuming that all users of DBT
are as familiar with its versatility as you are. Most of our users will
be teachers who create a document in WORD, save it, import it into DBT,
translate and emboss. They do not know about styles and mention of the
'[caplv...] command' would probably cause anxiety! 


As I see it there are 6 different combinations in 10.6 for the template
and translation table in British Braille


1. Template -- English (British) no capitals in literary   

Translation table -- English/British


2. Template -- English (British) no capitals in literary   

Translation table -- English/British (pre-2005 rules) with capitals


3. Template -- English (British) no capitals in literary   

Translation table -- English/British (pre-2005 rules) without  capitals


4. Template -- English (British) with capitals

Translation table -- English/British (pre-2005 rules) without capitals


I have only done a brief test but these first four all seem to give the
same result in terms of capitals for text. Namely no capitals at all.


5. Template -- English (British) with capitals

Translation table -- English/British


6. Template -- English (British) with capitals

Translation table -- English/British (pre-2005 rules) with capitals


These two give capitals following the current rules or the pre-2005


I agree that this does seem confusing. I do not know where, in terms of
the program, it is best to control the output. 


David Spybey





From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Joe Sullivan
Sent: 22 March 2006 17:56
To: DBT Beta
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: DBT Beta:templates missing


Hi David & other beta testers,

The expected four options are actually there in the sense that you can
obtain any combination of old and new rules, and with and without caps.
(There's even a useless fifth option, which I will come to.) However, as
far as templates are concerned, since those come into play only when
starting a new file (as contrasted with doing more work with an existing
.dxp file), and we assume that users will almost certainly want to use
the new rules in that circumstance, we have only provided two templates
to cover the caps/no caps option with the new rules. If you want to
start a new file and for some reason want to use the old rules, just
pick the appropriate template as to the caps/no caps option and then go
to the Document / Translation table menu and choose the "English/British
(pre-2005 rules) with Capitals" table. You should make that choice even
if you used the "no capitals in literary" template -- because the
capitalization level setting in the template (specifically, the [caplv1]
or [caplv3] command in the "initial" style) is what really counts for
purposes of suppressing the capitals in the literary portion of the

What may cause understandable confusion is the presence of the
"English/British (pre-2005 rules) without any capitals" item on the
Document / Translation tables menu. With that selection, you get no
capitals in any portion of the text, not even in mathematics.  We have
come to understand, however, that capitals are normally wanted in math
even when they are being suppressed in the literary text -- and so an
option to suppress all capitals everywhere is essentially useless and
should normally not be selected without a very special reason. On the
other hand, some .dxp files created using DBT 10.4 or older, and which
in fact contained only literary text, do suppress capitals by using this
table option rather than via the [caplv1] command that was introduced in
DBT 10.5. If we were to remove the option from the Translation Tables
menu, and such files were re-translated using the new DBT, then by
default they would suddenly show capitals, which would cause another
kind of confusion.

Despite this latter potential problem, which I suspect would be rare, I
have been tempted and am still tempted to remove the "without any
capitals" table option from the Translation Table menu and the words
"with Capitals" from the other "pre-2005" setting. That way, I think it
would be clearer that the table selection is no longer the way to
control capitals -- the [caplv...] command is the appropriate tool for
that, usually set in the "initial" style of the template that you use.
I'll be glad to hear any and all opinions about this.

Joe Sullivan

        Subject: RE: DBT Beta:templates missing
        Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:34:53 -0000
        Thread-Topic: DBT Beta:templates missing
        From: "David Spybey" <dspybey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
        To: david@xxxxxxxxxx
        Reply-To: dbt-beta@xxxxxxxxxx
        In 10.5 there are 4 options to open a 'British/English' file. In
        there seems to be only 2. Once in a document there appear to be
only 3
        options for translating and not the expected 4.
        David Spybey

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