Both are available on the Smuckers web site, Martha. Try http://www.smuckersharness.com/pg20.html for the Roger Rings. The Terrets are on page http://www.smuckersharness.com/pg52.html but there are no links to purchase them on the site, yet. In the printed catalog, they are on page 52 and are priced at $30.25 for the brass. Good luck with the tandem! Jay E. Hubert, Certified Tandemaniac Coffing Oaks Welsh Ponies Galt, CA Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. And I STILL drive too fast to worry about cholesterol! _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````