In a message dated 8/28/2004 12:14:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > I've found the same thing with my pair of VSEs. The 'low' gelding will > often > take a shot at the dominant gelding in the pair when we are driving, > something he would NEVER dream of doing when they're turned out. He knows > the dominant gelding is not allowed to retaliate. Exactly. So this is the chance for the low end animal to once be able to get back at the superior without immediate retaliation from that guy. And the superior does not need to ever initiate this at work, as he can do it at other times. But it's up to the driver to keep them focused on business and not allow any of this. I'd warn the low end guy too, when he even thinks about it, I touch him with the whip on the outside or at least start growling at him and warning him to not even go any further with his thoughts. It's business gentlemen (and / or ladies), mind your manners, forward! :-). And that is all fairly easy to do with a pair, but much harder with leaders in a four-in-hand. So those guys in the lead should be nice with each other, as it's much harder to be able to correct them out there, and they know it too, so the gentleman in the wheel may lose some of his good manners in the lead. Ok, then back to the wheel, worktime! No more fun just looking pretty out there, if you can't handle that :-) Hardy _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.shtml `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````