OK. Running sonar producer 6.2.1 with ct 6.2.2. Everything is working great except the commands for automation. For instance, I arm volume or any control for automation in track view. I then press control R. I hear the message to begin automation record, but nothing happens. If I take a snapshot with control double R, I hear the message but nothing happens. The automation event doesn't even appear in the edit menu for undo history. Now, I know automation works because if I use the application key to right click the volume widget, then up arrow to automation snapshot, then the automation snapshot works, but I still can't go into automation record in any way. The automation toolbar is turned on along with several other things, but I did not modify any toolbar settings except the snes that the ct scripts tell me to like the large transport toolbar being turned off. And yes, f6 to refresh track view didn't do anything. The test utility says that all my display settings are correct and the only test I see in the tests dialogue are to enable the sonar control surface which is working. What am I missing? It worked with sonar 5 in caketalking 5. I uninstalled all caketalking versions and reinstalled just ct6.2.2 and that didn't help either. Help me!!! -- Damon Fibraio screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio web sites: personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com. band: http://www.queenoftheryche.com. Internet Radio station: http://www.nhbradio.com Internet radio show every Wednesday night from 8 to 11 pm eastern