[ddots-l] Re: OT: Fwd: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
- From: Nickus de Vos <bigboy529@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:25:13 +0200
My thoughts. firstly on the 10 second boot time of windows 8, they are
trying to be better than apple OS Lion has a aprox 35 second boot up
time but as I commented on another site, the 10 seconds is when using
the perfect combonation of hardware. With pc there's literally
millions of combonations of hardware so I won't read much in to the 10
second boot time, yes it's possible but 99% of users won't get it.
Secondly on MS wanting to turn narator in to a full blown screen
reader, well this would be awesome just like apple with voiceover,
switch on any machine out of the box and it's accessible to the blind.
Let's look at it practically, to get narator even close to windows
eyes or jaws will take a lot of years, beta testing, even further
testing and a lot of feedback from users on bugs. Here's where the
problems come in, if I just take the people on this list, who will
honestly buy windows 8 while knowing narator is very buggy and you'll
basically be a beta tester? Who will do that if you can continue using
windows 7 or even xp like a lot still do, with jaws where you know
everything's working.
Voiceover worked and is still working and improving because point
number one, apple is listening to their users and secondly the people
bothered continuing to use voiceover dispite of it's bugs because the
only alternitive was pc and they wanted to use apple.
Anyway I probibly sound very negative but I'm not as I said it will be
awesome if narator can reach what voiceover did and basically replace
jaws and window eyes but as I said it's practically possible but don't
expect to drop jaws for narator in the next year or 2 maybe even 3 or
4.
On 9/13/11, Dominique <40493raywonder@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:06:45 -0400
> From: Bubba <bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Blind Cool Tech Mailing List <bct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: 'Blind Cool Tech Mailing List' <bct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Well, I think FS if any way possible and WE will somehow make their stuff
> work. I don't see them throwing their hands in the air and saying we cannot
> do this and just go under. I think MS will put out some kind of UPI for
> people to use not just screen readers but for makers of application and
> such. I do think they will start in this version making their screen reader
> to be one of the choice for blind users. It might take a couple of years and
> version but I think they are going to try to follow apple example with their
> screen reader and accessibility. It will start with the PC and I think move
> to the windows Mobile platform. But this is JMT
>
>
> Sign,
> Bubba
> bubbathegeek@xxxxxxxxx
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bct-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bct-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:07 PM
> To: Blind Cool Tech Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [BCT] Microsoft demos super fast boot times in Windows 8
>
> I'm sure the companies will work it out somehow. They may just have to
> rely on UIA support or consider implementing display hooks like System
> Access and recently NVDA does.
>
>
> Chris Hallsworth
> Sent from Thunderbird
>
> On 12/09/2011 16:25, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> Here's an observation that will doubtless raise some questions. Windows
>> 8 will not use mirror drivers. Big deal? I think maybe yes. Why? Simple.
>> Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes rely on mirror drivers to
>> work. I cannot help but wonder how windows screen readers will adapt. It
>> would indeed be interesting if the big two cannot adapt but NVDA can and
>> will.
>>
>> Now, you might be surprised that I, a Mac user, would raise such a
>> point. Well, let us just say that I chose not to resist.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>>
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1<http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0>
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>>
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:14 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft has a surprise for users tired of waiting forever while
>>> their computers boot up. It will take less than 10 seconds for a
>>> Windows 8 PC to go from powered down to the start screen, according to
>>> a Microsoft video demonstration. The speedy boot is thanks to a new
>>> hybrid system that mixes processes used in cold boots and hibernation
>>> mode. Microsoft showed off the new functionality in yet another blog
>>> post on its Building Windows 8 blog.
>>>
>>> The less than 10 second boot time Microsoft displayed was on a laptop
>>> with a Core i7-2620M Sandy Bridge processor, 8GB RAM and a 160GB
>>> solid-state drive. Results using other hardware may vary. Microsoft
>>> tested 30 PCs comparing Windows 8 fast startup times to Windows 7 cold
>>> boots. The most dramatic drop in time was for a PC (specs were
>>> undisclosed) that went from a more than 70 second cold boot time in
>>> Windows 7 to about 20 seconds on a Windows 8 fast startup.
>>>
>>> Thanks to the influence of tablets and smartphones, users are more
>>> accustomed than ever to having instant-on access to their devices.
>>> This can make it feel as though you've stepped back into the Dark Ages
>>> while you wait a minute or two for your PC to boot. Nevertheless, more
>>> than half of all PC users (57 percent of desktop users and 45 percent
>>> of laptop users) opt to turn their devices off instead of letting them
>>> go into sleep or hibernation mode, from which the computer can resume
>>> much faster, according to Microsoft data.
>>>
>>> Reasons for preferring shutdown vary, Microsoft says, from wanting to
>>> save on power to preferring to start a session fresh with no leftover
>>> processes from earlier (I suspect that another group of people avoid
>>> sleep and hibernate because it never works quite properly on their PCs).
>>>
>>> But even though a slight majority prefer to shut down, many Windows PC
>>> users do use sleep and hibernate modes instead of cold boots. In
>>> Windows 8, Microsoft wanted to create a shutdown process that would
>>> appeal to both types of users, by achieving three basic goals: nearly
>>> zero power draw when the computer is shut off, a fresh session after
>>> boot, and a quick startup time.
>>>
>>> To reach these targets, Windows 8's default shutdown mode performs
>>> what it refers to as a "session 0" hibernation. Basically, the
>>> computer shuts down normally, except that it saves the Windows kernel
>>> session to a hibernation file prior to shutting down. In Windows 7,
>>> the kernel session gets shut down completely--the kernel is the OS's
>>> core component that acts as a link between applications and data
>>> processing at the hardware level. Storing the kernel session results
>>> in a small hibernation file that the system can read back into memory
>>> in much less time than it takes to start everything up from a
>>> traditional cold boot, according to Microsoft.
>>>
>>> The new faster startup time also takes advantage of multicore systems
>>> by using all of the cores in parallel to speed the work of reading the
>>> hibernation file. Microsoft says that this multicore process will help
>>> your system resume from regular hibernate mode more quickly as well.
>>> The Windows maker found that PCs with a Unified Extensible Firmware
>>> Interface (UEFI) instead of a traditional BIOS tend to achieve faster
>>> boot times under the new system, too.
>>>
>>> If you who need a traditional cold shutdown to install new hardware on
>>> your PC or if you want one because you like it the old way, Microsoft
>>> allows you to revert to the old shutdown method either permanently
>>> (through a setting in the user interface--probably in the Control
>>> Panel, though Microsoft didn't explain this fully) or as a one-time
>>> occurrence from the command prompt.
>>>
>>> Windows isn't the only PC operating system to support speedy boots.
>>> Google's browser-only Chromebooks have fast boot times, and Apple's
>>> MacBook Air line also claims instant-on functionality.
>>>
>>> If you can't get enough Windows 8 news, check out PCWorld on Tuesday,
>>> September 13 when Microsoft is expected to provide even more details
>>> about its forthcoming OS during the company's BUILD conference.
>>>
>>> Windows 8 Fast Boot:
>>> --
>>>
>>> Chris Hallsworth
>>> Sent from Thunderbird
>>>
>>>
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