i will agree with one thing, g w micro is a grate company. i have started useing there products, the curswhile and the braille sense. they seem to bee cheeper on things than freadom scientific is. i have allways been a jaws user, but if ct worked with windoweyes i probly would switch. in other words, cake talking is the only reason i'm hanging on to jaws. freadom scientific is not what i feel they should bee, as far as prices and sirvice. and correct me if i'm rong, but windoeyes is what? 300 400 bucks cheeper? Shawn Brock Cincinnati Sound Lab 130 East Sixth Street Cincinnati Oh. 45202 Phone: 513-349-8541 Web Site: www.cincysoundlab.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sebastien Naudet To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Jaws with Cakewtalking VS Windows eyes with Nuendo yes, window-eyes requiers set files for nuendo. set files consist in labelling graphics and define user windows. they are not included in window-eyes. i've made them with a sighted friend. so it's something experimental but works great. shure it's possible to do the same with jaws, but scripts seem to be more complicated to create. about sonar window-eyes has set files included, but never tried that soft. cake talking seems to be a good tool for using sonar with jaws but it's not really fair from freedom scientific. should be included in jaws. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Smith To: DancingDots List Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Jaws with Cakewtalking VS Windows eyes with Nuendo Hi, It's probably not a good idea to discuss this on this list, but I'm not subscribed to other list for general midi list for the blind. Anyways, does anyone tried both Jaws with cakewalk and Windows eyes with nuendo? What are the advantages and disadvantages? Which one gives more freedom in terms of accessibility IE. plugins and audio editing? Does windows eyes require a special script like Jaws needs caketalking in order to access nuendo? It seem there are more people using nuendo than cakewalk, I wonder it's worth to learn it. MS