the photo I am trying to find again was of a pacific or consolidation, not a
D4G.
And the location was the same as a phot of a mainline train, somewhere in
Vancouver.
Robin
----- Original Message -----
From: Mansell Peter Hambly
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4,
7,8,11,12,13, 14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
I have a gut feeling that the print of 463 is mislabelled Vancouver. It is
Victoria. 460 to 463 (and othe rD4g's, viz 479) were Island locomotives and
were replaced sometime after this photograph was imaged. They were replaced by
D10's.
The RPO in this view is also seen with 479. I recently viewed on a world wide
steam URL.
Mansell Peter Hambly
COQUITLAM, B.C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Lowrie
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4,
7,8,11,12,13, 14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
Fred:
I have seen a photo of a local leaving Vancouver with the consist in question
identified as this train.
I will try to locate the photo. I guess one question would be what other
train would have the multi-car
consist in question in the greater Vancouver area? 809 / 810 are the only
candidates I can think of.
As to the mail car..........it wasn't the Railway's decision to make. The
Post Office Railway mail service
mandated all rpo routes and their personnel manned the car. The railway did
as they were told. I have
seen originals of some very heated correspondence between the Post Office and
the mail & express
manager at the NAR regarding a Xmas service the railway didn't want to handle
between two completely
illogical points ( in the railway's mind )........the railway lost!
I will do some more research and get back to you.
Robin Lowrie
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Shannon
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4, 7,8,11,12,13,
14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
Hi Joe,
I can't see the railway using a mail car of any kind on train
809/810, the mileage works against you. The 41.7 miles between
Vancouver and Mission is handled by main line trains, and not
809/810. Even though it takes almost three hours to cover the
distance between Vancouver and Mission. Further this train only works
5 towns, and two of these are flag stops only. At Mission they arrive
at 10:15k and level at 11:15k, and arrive at Huntingdon less than an
hour later at 12:10k.
The railway simply didn't commit a mail car to a 10 mile run. They
didn't do it in Manitoba, or anywhere else that I am aware of. The
cost alone of operating the car plus staff to man it. I just can't
see it. If this train worked the entire route I could see the railway
coming close to braking even operating such a car.
Now I have consists of the train arriving in Vancouver for the
entire 1955 year. Now I realize there is a difference between 1946
and 1955. But the passenger portion of the consist is the same every
day it ran, Combine 3303. No mail car, or extra baggage express car,
or coaches, just the combine 3303. In 1946 I could see a combine and
possibly an additional coach, but thats it.
The only way one could change my mind on this is to seeing a photo
taken in the time frame of 1946, or a consist from a dispatchers,
conductors, papers or files.
Regards,
Fred Shannon
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, KVRailway <kvrailway@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Fred:
>
> Wrongo!! Employee Time Table No. 88, October 27th, 1946 shows that
the Huntingdon (Mission Subdivision) turn worked out of Vancouver,
departing 730k, reaching Huntingdon at 12.10k and departing 13.40k
and returning to Vancouver at 17k. I think the photo in question
most likely shows this train.
>
> I guess you must have missed my post early this morning. :>)
This photo definitely was not the consist for train Nos. 801-802. As
per my earlier explanation, trains 801 and 802 did not run west of
Revelstoke, nor were they barged ovee the Arrow Lake system.
>
> Joe Smuin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Shannon
> To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:13 PM
> Subject: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4,
7,8,11,12,13, 14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
>
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I don't think so. The 809/810 Huntingdon, was and to this day
> still is a interchange transfer job, travelling only 10 miles one
> way. There isn't enough mail traffic to warrant a express mail or
a
> mail car period. Any mail would have been handled by the baggage
man,
> on the combine.
>
> I think it may be 801/802 Robson West/Revelstoke via Arrow Lakes.
> Now I have seen photo's in Bains books CP in the Rockies of D-
4g's
> working the passenger in the Arrow Lakes. Now that train had
express
> mail car, baggage car, and a coach or two.
>
> REgards,
> Fred Shannon
>
