No can find public time tables on the CP Sig site. I can't find public time
tables either in the files or photos sections and those are the only two
options I can see. Can't see anything that says Library or Public Time Tables
However, now that we've established that you are looking at a public time table
rather than an employee time table, I think we can clear things up a bit. Your
public time table shows a combination steamboat/train service between Robson
West and Revelstoke. Steamboat from Robson West to Arrowhead, rail Arrowhead
to Revelstoke, which you probably understood.
Train Nos. 801-802 are strictly the mixed train between Arrowhead and Robson.
If you had an employees time table, you would be able to see the official
schedules for the boat runs. The boat runs are not referred to as Nos.
801/802, though your public time table will show the whole Arrow Lakes service
in conjunction with mixed trains 801/802..
What your public time table is showing with the Revelstoke/Vancouver bit are
the logical connections for patrons of this Arrow Lakes service who are headed
for or returning from Vancouver. (where the bulk of the Arrow Lakes passenger
traffic would travel.) I am very sure that there were no passenger cars
working from Arrowhead to Vancouver. As mentioned previously, my 1946 employee
time tables show the Arrowhead service to be a mixed train. For certain, that
would mean people coming up from Arrowhead would have a layover in Revelstoke
and then pick up No. 3 to go west. South bound passengers on the Arrow Lakes
would make the best connection down to Arrowhead by coming out of Vancouver on
No. 8. That's what your public time table is showing you and I suspect you
interpreted it as meaning a car was assigned to run between Arrowhead and
Vancouver, which I'm not aware was ever the case at any time.
I stand to be corrected here, but where cars are coming off at train, the
public time table will make a specific note of it - from what I've seen. I
think that if you explore the public time tables a bit more closely, you will
find examples such as at Penticton where an assigned sleeper car came off
eastbound and was put back on westbound. Another example was McLeod where a
sleeper came off No. 12 to go straight up to Calgary on another train and then
when returning, the sleeper was picked up by No. 11. In cases of mixed train
service (most especially) travellers got off the coach at the junction point
and cooled their heels in the station building until the connecting train
arrived. It seems clear to me that such was the case with the Revelstoke-West
Robson traffic.
I might point out that it would be illogical for anybody in 1946 (other than
tourists) to go out of Robson West headed to Vancouver via the Arrow Lakes and
Revelstoke. The KV service would have been much faster. Traffic going north
from Robson West would mostly be local traffic on the Arrow Lakes. Before
1915, it was a different story, but for certain, by 1946, there was very little
reason for anybody on the lower Arrow Lakes to head to Revelstoke, regardless
of whether they were going to Vancouver or Alberta. The southern line by then
had a much faster service connecting east and west than via the lakes and
Arrowhead.
Joe Smuin
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kirkham
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4,
7,8,11,12,13, 14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
Sure Joe:
In the Oct 27, 1946 timetable, there is a timetable 161 at p.46 "Robson
West-Revelstoke" via Arrow Lakes Columbia River Route. At the bottom of
it, there is the section for these two trains from Arrowhead up to
Revelstoke, and then Revelstoke into Vancouver. (At least I interpret them
as trains and not boats)?? A lot going on here that I have no real
understanding of, but the time of arrival and departure in Vancouver is in
the trains 3 and 8 slots.
Its on the CP SIG library, under the public timetables - the only one for
1946.
Rob
----- Original Message -----
From: KVRailway
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [cpsig] Re: 1946 consists for No 1, 2, 3, 4,
7,8,11,12,13, 14, 809, 810, 801, 802, 45, 46
Rob, can you clarify where in your Time Table you are finding this 801/802
Robson West/Revelstoke train? This doesn't make sense to me.
thanks,
Joe Smuin
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
>
>
> - I'm not sure whether the 801/802 Robson West/Revelstoke train -
which
> shows coming to Vancouver as part of No.3 and leaving as part of
No.8 in my
> 1946 TT, would actually involve a specific car, or wether the
passengers
> would have to move from one car to another in Revelstoke?
>
> Thanks again for any further comments,
>
> Rob Kirkham
