Re: RE: RE: RE: [cpsig] HO Intermountain CPR FP7 and F7B
- From: ADAM MEEKS <Matchless@xxxxxxx>
- To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:08:56 -0600
Walthers is coming out with the "Empire Builder" train in HO, from the looks
of it it is extremely accurate from locomotives to observation but at what
price? $460.00 US dollars will buy 10 cars and $369.00 for an F7A+B unit in
DCC. However these units are very accurate. So how many do you think will be
sold in Canada?
Hmmm. They have done the Super Chief and now the Empire Builder; I wonder if
they would be open to doing The Canadian? May be an opportunity to make our
voices heard....
Adam Meeks
Calgary, AB
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Brownfield <kbtrain@xxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:29 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [cpsig] HO Intermountain CPR FP7 and F7B
Well said Jeff,
EMD made many F7 units and many were not the same although they
looked the
same. GPS were also in this all units look alike. The railroads
that bought
the units made changes to them to fit there type of
railroading.Some units
had dynamic braking while those in the flat lands did not. Bells,
whistlesand other outside plumbing was added to enhance the
performance of the
units. The huge winterization hatches on the CP units never
appeared on it's
US counterpart that I know of, so a manufacture would have to make a
different die or a part to add on for the CP units. Good brass
ones are sold
in Canada as I have bought a few.
Railroads did what they wanted; example "Rock Island", they went
throughpaint screams like the paint was free. Trying to model that
road is a real
headache, think what a manufacture would have to do to make
accurate models.
Walthers is coming out with the "Empire Builder" train in HO, from
the looks
of it it is extremely accurate from locomotives to observation but
at what
price? $460.00 US dollars will buy 10 cars and $369.00 for an
F7A+B unit in
DCC. However these units are very accurate. So how many do you
think will be
sold in Canada?
Just something to chew on.
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On ;
Behalf Of
Jeff Pinchbeck
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:42 PM
To: cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [cpsig] HO Intermountain CPR FP7 and F7B
Given the quality of CP TRACKS CPSIG is in an equally good
position to assume this role. But if we aren't going to
be proactive in approaching manufacturers as our CN counterparts
The CP SIG has in fact helped a number of manufactures. We have
a nice
little handful of projects we're working on right now.
Occasionally we
have
even gone a far as volunteering for projects when we hear about
them in a
timely manner.
Why don't we advertise the fact we do this service? Well because
in some
instances we are bound by non-disclosure agreement. In some
instances it's
just because these things happen very quickly and the mad dash
to find
materials within production time lines is more important that
tooting our
whistle.
However, I can say that each manufacture has their own targeted
marketplace
- price point, requirements for model details and authenticity.
It is
rather obvious when you see product lines like Athern and their
Genesis line. LifeLike and the Proto series and Overland's
Tower55 line that the
market place has become tiered. And that's a great development.
Anyway, don't expect great fidelity from the lower tier
offerings, for
example. A manufacture typically will do no more than what would be
expected in the targeted market segment plus factor in what
their existing
produce line looks like - incremental improvement rather than
revolutionary.
Older produces retooled when patterns become worn out or out
dated by
current standards. Ie. Athern's recent retooling effort.
Then there are, of course, the other error factors that creep in
the model
production like the research material is in error or the
specimen is
unusual
to the rest of the fleet, production compromises and lastly Engrish
translation issues! Man, got to love that Engrish!
http://www.engrish.com
Be aware that all manufactures are targeting a specific spot in
the market
place to get those modelling dollars. They are very aware that if
something
isn't perfect that many of you will buy detailing parts and make the
engine
your own. And they know that some of you don't care if the model
is a red
blob of plastic with CP Rail painted on it - as long as it stays
on the
track running at 200 smph who's complaining, right?
OTOH, if you don't make your wishes known they will continue to
do what
they
do because they can only go by their own feel for the market
place. So
provide feed back, comments and don't forget to complain when
you are
disappointed. And please remind them they should have contacted the
Canadian Pacific Historical Association. (previously.. CP SIG)
so they get
it right next time.
That's my .02 cents worth.
Jeff Pinchbeck
CPHA, Vice Chairman
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