There were actually two roundhouses, and I don't know which one the
passenger locomotives would have used. There was one at Lambton Yard,
and another, older one at West Toronto. The latter was part of what
was once a very diversified shop complex. While the Lambton
facilities were demolished quite a while ago, once the new hump yard
opened at Agincourt, the West Toronto roundhouse and connected back
shop (with transfer table) survived for several more decades as a
Maintenance of Way equipment shop. (Derek probably can give the
dates.) The turntable was still used to turn locomotives, usually
just the local yard engines. Eventually the property was sold and I
understand a big box store was built on the site.
My own opinion has always been that in many ways the West Toronto shop
was preferable to John Street for a railway museum. The backshop had
wonderful potential as an open exhibit hall. Possibly the facilities
might have been made available in exchange for allowing Marathon's
desired development project on the downtown lands, and there would now
have been a more spacious museum. While there is prestige to being in
the downtown core, a drawback is that some potential visitors will be
reluctant to tackle the congestion typical of such areas.
Getting off my soap box, I must say I recently saw a proposed plan for
the layout at the John Street site. It looks very workable, and an
intelligent use of the limited space left for the railway display.
John
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dave hill" <techill@...> wrote:
Montreal which
It must have been confusing in the 1920s in both Toronto and
CPR station does the train leave from. Windsor or Viger and inToronto,there
North Toronto , or Union Station now Derick corrected my impression
was a round house at North Toronto thanks but I see another reasonwhy the
CPR finnally went south to Union . when a train arrived or Departedat North
Toronto it had to run the engine to or from West Toronto I assumethat
would be Lampton Roundhouse . such moves cost time and tie up a mainline
whereas calling a locomotive from John street was much an easyshort move
in comparison. Proably this was a factor in closing North Torontoplus the
year it was closed 1930 cutting costs in that year even worse than2009.
----- Original Message -----Re: CPR
From: "Derek Boles" <derekboles@...>
To: <cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: [cpsig] North Toronto Station (was Re: Electrification (was
D-10 from sunset))bad an
--- In cpsig@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Andrew Jeanes" <yahoo@> wrote:
Wow, has this thread ever drifted away from its original intent.
Inaccurate criticism of North Toronto Station around Derek is as
Shron.idea
as criticizing the other railway's Turbo Train in front of Jason
Bedell. Trains
As you say...
But...the 1920s iterations of trains 23 and 24 never ran to Ottawa.
Nearest
they got was crossing the diamond over the Prescott sub at
ran into33
and 34 were the direct Ottawa-Toronto overnight trains, and they
Falls whereToronto Union Station.
Actually 33 and 34 had sleepers that ran from Ottawa to Smiths
Station. Inthey were
added to or subtracted from Nos. 23 and 24 into North Toronto
July 1,fact they ran all
the way to Hamilton until 1925.
There were also separate NTS-Ottawa trains from June 4, 1916 until
Belleville1916, after
North Toronto Station opened. They were afternoon trains via
reappearance as aand were No. 37
eastbound, "The Rideau" and No. 38 westbound, "The York." They were
transferred to
Union Station as of July 2, 1916.
Later on, in the pool era, Trains 23 and 24 made their
Station wassecond overnight run between Ottawa and Toronto, going via Belleville
instead of Peterboro as did 33 and 34. By then North Toronto
types, it waslong closed.
All of which suggests that though North Toronto Station may have been
popular with the Rosedale and Forest Hill-dwelling business
probably not very useful for Ottawa-bound politicians.
Derek Boles
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