Hi all,
Can you recommend a good constellation facilitator in London?
Cristina
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You have probably seen all this, but if you haven't it is quite beautiful. See
you Sat., Jan
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Edward Phillips dabhain@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This mystery for the mind cannot ever be solved by the mind. As you approach
it from a perspective of mind, it recedes from your grasp.
Poetry often points or hints at this invisible and discreet being, beyond words.
Pure feeling, which has not been corrupted by words and memory, springs forth
from this discreet being but it can never be described or labeled. Like writing
upon the still waters of a pond, it disappears. In mind, as soon as it is
described, it appears to recede as the attention goes into the description. It
seems to escape the attention but the waters of naked cognition flow on
regardless. The blood in your veins flows with life, as life.
We dont need another hero.or gurus.or divisions, thought are patterns on the
screen of consciousness believed in and take far too seriously, we can be quite
and see what happens with littel pointers here and there to the participants
who are after all a reflection of ourselves. Stop pretending, be nothing, there
is no process, there is no method. No meditation really, all that's required
is re cog nition of the Truth againn and againn
.
Thanks Bert hellinger and gilbert Schultz
On 6 Aug 2014 20:12, "Edward Phillips" <dabhain@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello everyone.
"Discard every self-seeking motive
as soon as it is seen and you need
not search for truth; truth will find
you."
Is this the core moment with in the field the truth finding you? it holds the
persons so that the absurdities of our human play can be seen and felt.. It
does not matter if the means to recovering the order of love is male or
female. As a sage once said 'love says I am everything and wisdom says I am
nothing and our lives flow between the two.
warmly yours
Edward phillops
On 4 Aug 2014 20:56, "Anutosh Foo anutoshf@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Carolyn and all dear friends
Thank you for everyone’s contributions which continue to enrich me and stretch
me lovingly. Thank you.
Caroyln, dear Constellation Sistar*
Wow! Thank you.
Together, we are making a very delicious healing soup.
Thank you all dear fellow travelers for your voices.
Blessings & Love
Anutosh Foo
www.anutoshhealingarts.com
On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, 'Carolyn Zahner' cpzahner@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello All,
Thank you, Alison for bringing this important and continuing question to this
forum.
Thank you, Eimear for bringing the specific issue out of the shadows.
Thank you, to all of the other teachers who have contributed so richly to this
thread.
For me, the Field does not rely on the form, structure or rules of
Constellations but rather, Constellations rely on the Field. Whether through
the process of Constellations or some other form, approaching this place
requires openness to wholeness: the deep place of silence, the grounded work of
analytical capacity and the personal power and maturity to find one’s voice in
the co-creative process while respecting the process of another.
As Alison beautifully expressed:
“..it is Silence that holds the sacred.
It is also true that the sacred permeates all, and words can and do speak from
a genuine Truth - so it would be a misconception to say that words do not also
convey the sacred! (I don't know that anyone is suggesting that, I just felt
the need to acknowledge). Yet, we all know how words can distort and seem to
separate us from the deeper Truth. Yes.”
While words can distort and seem to separate us from the deeper Truth, for me,
it is also true that a dogmatic “rule” of forced silence can equally distort to
the “Truth” – and enable denial of the “Truth”. As many others in this thread
have pointed out, the dogmatic “rule” for silence is a very different thing
than the “guideline” and sacred need for silence – in the moment, within the
process - as described by Vinay, Anutosh and so many others.
I deeply value the questions and introspection that Katia invites us into.
I deeply value the clarity that Anni offers regarding the deep and pervasive
constructs that have historically commanded silence – falsely claiming
“sacredness” to gain and maintain power and dominance resulting in fear based
compliance to silence.
I deeply value Leslie’s wisdom in reminding us of our tendencies for parental
transference. I do not look for the “Father” or “Mother”. I look for the
“inspired teacher/ facilitator” who is humble enough to be willing to hear and
learn from the wisdom and voice of the student/seeker. When in the place of
“teacher/facilitator” I hold myself accountable to do the same – and know I
will be humanly imperfect at it.
If a question, or issue continually comes up for many and out of the larger
Field, perhaps the issue deserves wholeness - both sacred silence and sacred
voice. When we find ourselves as teacher, do we believe ourselves to be so
above our own humanness, our own entanglements, to not explore the intention
behind any “rules” of silence? Or the intention behind our judgments of who is
of value, who is “ready,” or who is too small to be here or there?
Perhaps we are called to maintain full adult responsibility for our own
processes whether we are in the role of teacher or student. From the sacred
silence, from our own ancestors, we may find not only permission to speak, but
in some instances, even a responsibility to do so. While I may value and
maintain the Sacredness of Silence, I can also choose not to be silenced out of
fear. I look for inspired (and inspiring) teachers, colleagues and students who
are willing to include and embrace The Sacred Voice that comes out of The
Sacred Silence.
In Gratitude,
Carolyn
Carolyn Zahner, MSW, LISW, Inc
513-697-0260
Private Practice, Integrative Psychotherapy
<http://www.carolynzahner.com/> www.carolynzahner.com
