Dan - whatever happened with this in Cincinnati? Mark Sund cinticom@xxxxxxx On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Dan wrote:
It is used in Cambridge, Mass. It was used in about 2 dozen cities in the U.S., including New York City and Cleveland, in the early part of the 20thcentury, as part of the reform movement for good government during theProgressive era. It was repealed in many cities because of anti- communist hysteria (in New York City, for example, one communist was elected to a council of 25 members), and in Cincinnati it was repealed in 1957 on the basis of a racist fear campaign - they said that if we didn't get rid of PR, it was likely that Ted Berry (a Negro!) would become mayor of Cincinnati in the next election. PR was repealed, our current system not only prevented Berry from becoming mayor, he was not even elected to Council in 1957, andno blacks were elected for the next 4 elections. FairVote.org is the best website to learn more. It's a national organization dedicated to educating people about proportional votingsystems. It was founded in Cincinnati in 1992 (it's now in the DC area).PR was on the ballot here in 1988 and 1991, and it got about 45% of the voteeach time, in spite of vehement opposition by the Cincinnati Enquirer(repeatedly claiming - falsely, in my opinion - that PR is too complicated and it takes too long to count the votes). Cambridge has a computerized vote count and it's done in minutes. People who can count from one to ninehave no difficulty ranking their choices, and the system automaticallyprovides a representative body which is a microcosm of the electorate - fairrepresentation for majorities and minorities. Thanks for considering it. Dan Zavon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sund / Mac.com" <cinticom@xxxxxxx> To: <cinci_dads@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:37 AMSubject: [cinci_dads] Re: Proportional Representation petition campaignDan - interesting - is this used anywhere else? Or where else can I read about it? Mark Sund cinticom@xxxxxxx On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Dan wrote:I'm working on a petition campaign to bring Proportional Representation back to Cincinnati. That's the way Cincinnati elected its City Council for 30 years (1920s to 1950s), and it brought consistent minority representation to the council even when African Americans were a much smaller percentage of the population than they are today. It gives us majority rule AND minority representation. You rank your choices from 1 up to as many as 9, and your vote counts for your first choice, unless that candidate can't use it (either because s/he already has enough votes to be elected, or because s/he has so few votes s/he can't possibly be elected), in which case your vote counts for your second choice (or your highest choice who can still use your vote). To show what is wrong with our current voting system (9x), I use the example of an election in which 44,000 Democrats vote, along with 33,000 Republicans and 22,000 Charterites. If all three parties put up a full slate of 9 candidates, and all voters vote a straight party ticket for their party, the result under the current 9x system of voting would be 9 Democrats elected to City Council, even though a majority of voters (five ninths) wanted no Democrats. This is not majority rule OR minority representation. Under Proportional Representation, the result (with the same voters voting the same way) would be a council with 4 Democrats, 3 Republicans, and 2 Charterites. PR gives fair representation to all substantial groups in the voting population, whether they be racial, issue, gender, neighborhood, or whatever is important to the voters in the election. To put this issue on the ballot, we need 6100 valid signatures of registered voters who live in the city limits of Cincinnati. We really need some more people to pass petitions. Even if you can get only 10 or 20 signatures, that would be very much appreciated. 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