I use the map editor for fractint and apophysis... it appears you can use map files from both of those... some links for this stuff follows: Gradient Map Editor: ApoMap (http://www.apophysis.org/downloads.html) Some other stuff to look at that might help you out: List o' utils and crud ( http://www.innertraveler.com/messagecenter/showthread.php?t=54) i have apomap, fintmap, and makemap all downloaded. i'll keep the other link you sent, though i never did guarentee i'd make this thing ^ _^* maybe eventually i have some summer reading blarg to do first [really hates reading hemmingway novels] > > > As for Devart... I'm sorry you guys. I don't want to start anything of a > fight or the sort... I was worried about that as soon as I sent it. I just > have > to ask one thing though... where do you think would be a good substitute for > hosting your stuff? > I don't think you need to worry about starting a fight. We are a chaoscope mailinglist after all, not a bunch of devart freaks (despite the fact that quite a few of us are at devart) i believe most or all of the list users will leave their highly emotional opinions on da. if you're still worried about starting fights, i'd say just don't mention the power struggle ^ _^ easy as that i know someone who has moved himself to a new hosting place, i'll check in for you and ask what it is and how he likes it ^ .^ ~Kaze