[bvipilots] Re: Metar issues was Re: Re: never sneeze when you fly with Michelle
- From: Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bvipilots@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:25:03 -0700
Alas! I finally understand the issue.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for being persistent until
my old brain finally got to understand the problem.
I will sort this out in the next release.
Regards,
Robert
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Robert,
> The cvrt has the complete data and is completely correct. What I hear
> Michelle say is just the first four digits and zulu. So for instance, when
> it is 041456z I hear Michelle say 0414 zulu only. I am not sure if this is
> my system or if anyone else can confirm but I can tell you that using the
> latest iyp version Michelle's reading only four digits of the time code.
> Does that make things more clear or am I confusing the issue again smile.
>
> Sorry to make things difficult for you.
>
> Noel.
>
> On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello Noel,
>
> REGARDING: What you're doing wrong with your code is the first two digits
> of the time code (the metar) are the day of the mnth, for stance 10 for
> 10 septamber.
>
> Well, not to be argumentative, but what IYP delivers is 100% correct. I
> gave you this like earlier in this thread:
>
> http://weather.cod.edu/notes/metar.html
>
> As I stated early on, it is a very good read.
>
> In there is states:
>
> 041656Z-Time and Date
> The 04 represents the day of the month
> The 1656 represents the time at which the observation went out
> The Z represents that the time is in ZULU or UTC (Universal Time Code)
>
> For the ultimate guide to METAR and observations, please refer to the
> Federal Meteorological Handbook No. 1 from the National Weather Service
> located here:
>
> http://www.ofcm.gov/fmh-1/fmh1.htm
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> I found the problem.
>>
>> The metar I got matches with yours. What you're doing wrong with your
>> code is the first two digits of the time code (the metar) are the day
>> of the mnth, for stance 10 for 10 septamber. Then the next four are
>> the utc, then you have it correct. So now, I get the following metar.
>>
>> KPHX 101151Z 00000KT 10SM SCT080 BKN095 BKN220 24/19 A2978 RMK AO2
>> SLP069 70050 T02390194 10250 20233 55000
>>
>>
>> which translates to
>> KPHX (PHOENIX/SKY HRBR, AZ, US) observed 1151 UTC 10 September 2013
>> Temperature: 23.9°C (75°F)
>> Dewpoint: 19.4°C (67°F) [RH = 76%]
>> Pressure (altimeter): 29.78 inches Hg (1008.5 mb)
>> [Sea-level pressure: 1006.9 mb]
>> Winds: calm
>> Visibility: 10 or more miles (16+ km)
>> Ceiling: 9500 feet AGL
>> Clouds: scattered clouds at 8000 feet AGL
>> broken clouds at 9500 feet AGL
>> broken clouds at 22000 feet AGL
>> Weather: no significant weather observed at this time
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> This is why iyp keeps saying 1011 utc and why I got 0203 utc on the
>> second of September.
>>
>> Noel
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Ask for the METAR weather from IYP and view the METAR data printed in
>> the
>> > Cockpit Voice Recorder Transcript (CVRT) file in the IYPLogs folder.
>> >
>> > (For details on CVRT files, refer to PAGE 176 of the IYP Users' manual)
>> >
>> > The METAR data will look like this:
>> >
>> > KPHX 101051Z 00000KT 10SM SCT080 BKN095 BKN220 24/19 A2978 RMK AO2
>> SLP066
>> > T02440189
>> >
>> > Then go here:
>> >
>> > http://aviationweather.gov/adds/metars/
>> >
>> > and enter the same ICAO.
>> >
>> > Tell me if there's any difference.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:36 AM, Robert Cezar
>> > <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please ask for the weather at KPHX right now.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Well, I originally was talking about get weather. Then Mitchell asked
>> >>> about problems he was having with get local weather. I still continue
>> >>> having problems with get weather returning correct metar observations
>> >>> but incorrect Zulu times. Sorry to confuse, two topics got rolled up
>> >>> in to this thing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Noel
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/9/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> > Now I am completely and utterly confused.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What are we talking about?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 1. "Get the weather for Charlie Yankee Victor Romeo"
>> >>> >
>> >>> > or,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2. "Get local weather"
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Number one selects the current active weather for the declared ICAO.
>> >>> > Number two selects the weather selected in the simulator.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Please select 1 or 2.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Regards,
>> >>> > Robert
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Noel Romey <nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> My original concern was with get weather.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sep 9, 2013, at 3:49 PM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Robert, they are talking about
>> >>> >> "get local weather"
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 9/10/2013 12:00 AM, Robert Cezar wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Quite the opposite. Perhaps I didn't explain it properly.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> RESTATED:
>> >>> >> If the FSX application is in the foreground, and the BVI mode is
>> >>> active,
>> >>> >> then the ATC windows is forced open. Is that any clearer?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Robert
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Mitchel Snel
>> >>> >> <brailletijger@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> dear Robert,
>> >>> >>> does this mean that when iyp is in the bvi mode it will not work?
>> >>> >>> greetings, Mitchel
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> 2013/9/9, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>> >>> > Hello,
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > When running in the BVI mode, the ATC window is forced open at
>> all
>> >>> >>> times.
>> >>> >>> > If it is inadvertently closed, the IYP application forces it to
>> >>> >>> > the
>> >>> >>> > open
>> >>> >>> > state immediately. However, the simulator application must be in
>> >>> >>> > the
>> >>> >>> > foreground.
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Robert
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, hadi <hadirezaei@xxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >> Same thing happening to me as well~ doesn't work
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >> On 9/9/2013 9:11 PM, Noel Romey wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> >>> jMitchell,
>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> >>> This has happened to me. Seems as if it has some odd thing
>> >>> >>> >>> happen
>> >>> >>> >>> with the key presses on atc. The ATC window has to be open
>> when
>> >>> the
>> >>> >>> >>> keypresses happen and sometimes, those keypresses don't seem
>> to
>> >>> >>> >>> work.
>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> >>> Noel
>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/9/13, Mitchel Snel <brailletijger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> >>>> sorry problem with my braille display!
>> >>> >>> >>>> if I ask michell for the weather with the get local weather
>> >>> command
>> >>> >>> >>>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>> get a announcement when there is no local weather but
>> sometimes
>> >>> >>> >>>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>> get
>> >>> >>> >>>> no responds.
>> >>> >>> >>>> I assume that there is local weather then but I do not get
>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>> local
>> >>> >>> >>>> weather?
>> >>> >>> >>>> greetings, Mitchel
>> >>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>> 2013/9/9, Mitchel Snel <brailletijger@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>> dear Robert,
>> >>> >>> >>>>> sorry that I move into this topic but if I ask michel
>> >>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>> 2013/9/9, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> The METAR data comes from the United States NOAA service
>> >>> located
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> here:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> http://aviationweather.gov/
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I would suggest that you direct your questions to them
>> >>> directly.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Please let me know what they say.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Robert
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Noel Romey <
>> nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Robert,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> I don't have a problem with the metar obversations, just
>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> ones
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> announced by iyp as relates to time. I pulled two
>> reports,
>> >>> one
>> >>> >>> for
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> kphx (Phoenix Sky Harbor) and one for KLIT (Little Rock).
>> I
>> >>> >>> pulled
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> klit twoce actually. Both reports from kphx and klit were
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> correct
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> as
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> far as conditions, but the time reported was 0914. a 31 C
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> temperature
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> at 3 A>M. in Little Rock is probably not completely
>> correct.
>> >>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> pulled
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> KLIT a second time with a flight loaded to Little Rock.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> That
>> >>> >>> time,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> got a 0915 Zulu time, and a temperature of 32.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Is there a problem with the scrape of the new metar data?
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> Noel
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> On 9/9/13, Robert Cezar <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> REGARDING: METAR updates
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> The METAR reports are typically updated at the end of
>> each
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> hour.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Here's a good link that describes METAR in detail:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> http://weather.cod.edu/notes/**metar.html<
>> >>> >>> http://weather.cod.edu/notes/metar.html>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Robert
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Noel Romey
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> <nromey@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> I'm making out. Have found a few cosmetic if you will
>> bugs
>> >>> >>> which I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> will
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> compile and send privately. When I ask to check weather
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> for
>> >>> a
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> location
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> conditions seem to be ok but Zulu Time doesn't update
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> much.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Does
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> new
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> service for metar not update often or is there some
>> other
>> >>> >>> problem?
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Ner
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Robert Cezar <
>> >>> >>> robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> How are you making out?
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Robert
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Noel Romey <
>> >>> nromey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I was flying this morning from cyyc o cyxj. About 180
>> >>> miles
>> >>> >>> from
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> airport, I sneezed into the microphone. It was not
>> muted
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> unfortunately. MS Speech Recognition took my sneeze
>> as a
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> keypress.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> two things happened in succession. First, I should
>> say,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> these
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> keypresses were on the FSX side, not the IYP Michelle
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> side
>> >>> of
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> things.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> First, the autopilot got turned off and second, my
>> engine
>> >>> >>> mixture
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> set to lean. I dropped from 1000 to nothing in about
>> 10
>> >>> >>> seconds.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Didn't know what happened because I didn't know what I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> pressed,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> so
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> thought fist to set engine mixture to rich, well I said
>> >>> lean,
>> >>> >>> so
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> ultimately pulled back up to about 4000 feet, then fell
>> >>> back.
>> >>> >>> In
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> essence, FSX was confused. Finally got things dialed
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> back
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> in,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> got
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> up to 10300 feet and climbing, aTC yelling at me that I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> was
>> >>> >>> above
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> my
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> altitude. That's when I found that autopilot got
>> turned
>> >>> off.
>> >>> >>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> would
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> have started over because in real life, I would have
>> been
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> exploded
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> into bits on the middle of frontier Canada, but I flew
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>> >>> flight
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> last
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> night and on approach, lost all FSX sound (nothing I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> could
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> do
>> >>> >>> to
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> get
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> it back either), so II just continued flying. I've got
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> FSX
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> set
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> not
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> allow for crashes for some reason apparently under
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> realism
>> >>> (I
>> >>> >>> had
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> not
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> idea that could be set). Luckily for me, I'm save in
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Fort
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> St.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> John.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Another note, upon landing, I got to 100 feet and the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> wind
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> blew
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> me
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> up
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> so I was a few feet from the ground but not landed and
>> I
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> didn't
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> hear
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> bump or crash sound. So I pulled up (execute go around
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> didn't
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> work
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> for some reason) flew a while and then prepared to land
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> at
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> runway.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Autopilot was on again again so I turned it off, did
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> approach
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> checklist again, and was able to land. I think that
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> crosswinds
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> caused
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> problems for me, so when I came back the second time,
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> they
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> weren't
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> significant so Michelle was able to help.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> This is going to be a challenging trip.
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Noel
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