All. There is a whole set of geometric shapes in UTF/Unicode. In a book I was just looking at, "Applying Life Skills" the character \x25C6 for example is a black diamond and is really being used like a bullet. I added it to my local chardefs but now I'm wondering if there is a more systematic approach that is appropriate for things like this. I can imagine that in some textbooks these characters might not be significant or might denote something else. Maybe there needs to be an easy way in the UI for users to define how such characters are treated. Keith Creasy Software Developer American Printing House for the Blind KCreasy@xxxxxxx Phone: 502.895.2405 Skype: keith537