Whether or not we would like someone in person is irrelevant. What’s relevant
is how we treat each other online since that is how we know each other. I
consider Jeff’s email to be a perfect example of what is not acceptable. First,
because the email specifically targeted someone. I reread her email and she
didn’t mention Jeff, but maybe I missed something. Second, because one feels
attacked doesn’t give one permission to retaliate. That’s how wars get started.
Third, if a response is necessary, it can be stated in such a way that promotes
communication instead of shutting it down.
I leave it to Treesa to decide how to handle it, since she’s the moderator, and
even though BOO doesn’t have the same guidelines as OBOL, civility is still
necessary.
Mary
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My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness. The Dalai Lama
On Feb 26, 2021, at 12:45 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Women - You would probably like me. Most do who know me. Most means over 50%.
I take a widow in the neighborhood to Nogales, Mexico to see her dentist.
She is concerned about going on her own (wise). I spent uncounted hours on a
team looking for the Golden State Killer (aka - East Area Rapist). Our POI
(who had ties to Post and Prineville, Oregon) was taken very seriously by the
cold case detectives, but his sister’s DNA ruled him out. The case looked
incredibly good, so much so that the detectives were surprised and
disappointed. BTW: Dozens of ex-wives and ex-girl friends turned in their
EXs as being the killer. Some reports were in great detail, that included
supposed admissions. They were all debunked, and some were so convincing
that barring DNA analysis, the EX would have possibly been charged with
murders. That is why evidence matters. Recently I got a very solid lead on
the murder of Eliane Fay Lehtinen. The cold case unit in the Bay Area took
(or is taking) it seriously. I am not optimistic though unless there is DNA
evidence:
https://murdermurder.news/2020/07/10/your-next-favorite-podcast-naptime-nancy/
<https://murdermurder.news/2020/07/10/your-next-favorite-podcast-naptime-nancy/>.
It is just not right to accuse some one publicly and make claims, without
first hand knowledge, where there has not been a trial and conviction.
Calling a person who is not a public figure a perpetrator of a crime of moral
turpitude is just wrong, unless there is a conviction. Even if an innocent
man is not charged, or not found guilty, his reputation will always be
damaged.
Women birders should be more concerned about guys like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jack_Fowler ;
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jack_Fowler> or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes ;
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes>. Bobby Fowler worked about 200
yards from the Boiler Bay wayside. Keyes raped a woman on the Deschutes
River. Both of these guys stalked Oregon birding locations for a time. Even
in the Georgia situation, the purported victim acknowledges that they were
dating. Not even her allegation would indicate that he is a troll hiding in
the woods waiting to waylay women birders. Indicating his name to protect
Oregon women who he is not dating 3,000 miles away is unnecessary. The
first comment on OBOL, about the board o OBA condemning assaults on women
seemed strange to me, but uncontroversial. I very much doubt that anyone on
OBOL favors violence against women.
If he did what is claimed, he deserves punishment.
Even on this site, I would hope we revert to birding talk.
Jeff Gilligan
On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:09 PM, Teresa Hertzel <teresa.hertzel@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:teresa.hertzel@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Linda and Jeff, please both stay on this listserv. Our biggest "problem" is
our diversity, and BOO is our last hope to figure out how to get along.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 1:22 PM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jeffgilligan10@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Right. It is nice to have a site where birds can be discussed, and that is
not subject to the thought control bureau, that encourages false accusations
about posters, and has no trouble accusing a not arrested or charged person
(in Georgia) with crimes of moral turpitude. I will post bird sightings
here in the future.
Linda Fink - go take a dump. I can see you are full of it.
( I don’t react rudely, except to the rude and crude.)
Jeff Gilligan
On Feb 26, 2021, at 12:13 PM, canyoneagle (Redacted sender "canyoneagle"
for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Absolutely agree with everything Linda said, great note, thank you!
I hung on for six years before giving up on OBOL. A number of people I
know gave up much sooner, and were quite bitter about the treatment that
they received from what Linda called the "old guard". My name for them
was the "Inner Circle". I always thought that they used OBOL as if it was
their own private list, rather than a list that is open to all bird folks.
Perhaps the Inner Circle should think about starting their own list?
I live in California now, but still enjoy reading Boo, so thank you
Treesa!
I might run into some of you in the field in the future, as I will be up
that way again.
Best wishes all,
Lori Markoff
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<boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:boo-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
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Subject: [boo] Wow!!
I checked my email this evening, as usual, and was shocked to see a whole
slew of Boo messages in my daily digest. I have not bothered to check OBOL
for several days as I'm busy living life here on the farm in the post-ice
age times. So I had not read any of the stuff y'all are talking about. How
wonderful to hear such a reasonable discussion here on Boo!
I'll come down on the side of Caleb. Bullies should be removed. I've been
on OBOL since the early days when it really was just for rare bird
sightings. That is no longer necessary thanks to e-bird. And, folks, those
knowledgeable old guys are not the only ones on OBOL who are
knowledgeable. Others would speak up if the old guard took their toys and
left.
As for what topics should be on OBOL, political discussions still need to
be on BOO. I love having that venue where I know people are interested in
hearing about the conservation issues I post there (here).
And where I can read about ones I may not have known about yet. (Thanks,
the other Linda!)
And, finally, a million thanks to moderator Theresa. What a fine and fair
job you have always done. I still hate the e-bird reports that fill up my
OBOL digest but I respect that I can scroll (and scroll and
scroll) past them eventually to get to what I'm interested in, which is
not rare bird sightings but just interesting bird sightings, like Judy's
field trip reports... I always envied having a group like that birding
together.
What OBOL has become by letting the old guard have their way is of very
little interest to me anymore. And I hate hearing people disparage each
other. Joel is always getting into trouble with some of the old regulars
yet Joel is out there doing more for birds and conservation on a daily
basis than most anyone else on OBOL. His personality, like mine, just
ticks some people off. Theresa has a job keeping us both in line but she
is very fair.
When I get time, I'll go back and read the OBOL digests from the last
several days and learn who the bad guys are this time around, although I
think I know. OBOL has never been welcoming to new birders and so when a
new birder comes on and gets shot down, I try to send them a private email
telling them not to let the old guard get them down. I'm sorry I was not
paying attention this time.
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this discussion and
especially to Theresa for bringing it up. We are so fortunate to have her
as moderator on OBOL!
And, again, please listen to Caleb. Do not put up with crap no matter how
knowledgeable the crapper is.
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