[bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
- From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:36:05 -0600
I know I've weighed in on the page number question before, but I can't keep
quiet when this comes up. At the moment I'm in the process of tracking down
half a dozen books from my local public library in order to hunt up page
numbers I need for citations in an article I'm writing. ALL of these books
are available on Web-Braille, without page numbers of course. I can't say
it loud or often enough, PLEASE, Bookshare, do make it a priority to retain
print page numbers in ALL books!!!
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Miller" <brian-r-miller@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> Peter,
> True enough, but we are not obligated to mirror all the actions and
> practices of NLS, are we?
> My vote is for retaining page numbers, but not having them will not drive
me
> away.
> Brian M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Scialli" <Peter.s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:46 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
>
>
> > I feel compelled to point out that in two to three years, when this book
> > comes out on cassette tape from NLS, it will also not have page numbers.
> >
> >
> > ________________________
> > Peter M. Scialli, Ph.D.
> > Associate, Technical Projects, Bookshare.org
> > www.bookshare.org
> >
> > A Project of The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity
> > peter @benetech.org
> > www.benetech.org
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:18 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Rui,
> > >
> > > As far as "The Broker" goes, I am being truthful when I say that page
> > > breaks
> > > and page numbers are there in my brf copy. So I can't imagine why
they
> > > would not be there in the Daisy format. True, the validator did a
rush
> > > job
> > > but there was a reason for it--to get the book up there for those of
us
> > > who
> > > read books of that type for pleasure only.
> > >
> > > I have seen some very excellent books on the bookshare site during the
> > > short
> > > time I have been a member: i.e., with formatting, page breaks,
chapter
> > > headings, etc.. I feel confident that when The Brokers is resubmitted
> by
> > > Pratik it will be in apple pie shape because he has the equipmennt and
> > > knows
> > > the rules.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I would include indices as well if there are any, but I
> have
> > > never seen a John Grisham book with indices, only acknowledgments.....
> > >
> > > Sue S.
> > > No hate mail please. (smile)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rui" <rui@xxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> > >
> > >
> > > Good afternoon my fellow booksharians:
> > >
> > > We have now solved the problem for this one book, it took about a
dozen
> > > messages, not to mention the book is being re-edited a second time
> instead
> > > of correcting the original problem.
> > > If you think there is a backlog now, if every book when through 2
edits
> > > instead of getting it right the first time, you would have a 1500 book
> > > step
> > > 1 page.
> > >
> > >
> > > For the few times I do read a book as i am currently doing with a
> > > validation, (good book brian) i continuously read and the page info
does
> > > not
> > > bother me at all, in fact it is useful. i know that i am on page 134
of
> > > the
> > > book, not maybe around page 134, but actually on page 134 of the
> original
> > > text, (because the page # from the book is present)
> > >
> > > Once the autmated tool hacks at the book, then you have a different
> story.
> > > no heading, no page #s, no chapter headings, etc.
> > >
> > > I know that bookshare is fully aware of this and I hope this will come
> up
> > > at
> > > a subsequent meeting with their engineers.
> > >
> > > You see, like I said in my bio, i'm not much of a reader so
consequently
> I
> > > do not have a bookshare membership. All i do is validate.
> > > But it is very disconcerting that books i submit come out in worse
shape
> > > after i hit the submit button then what my edited copy is here at
home.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, that material should remain in the book.
> > > For those of us who don't want it in the book, then the individual
user
> > > can
> > > strip out the headers if they so choose.
> > > But for those of us who want the complete text, we can't put the
> > > headers/pagebreaks back in once they're gone, we have no recourse.
> > > You can take material out of a book, but once it is gone you can't
> > > manufacture it and put it back in short of having the print copy. And
> at
> > > that point, it would be faster to just rescan it yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > > In closing, when Pratik uploads the book again, what's to stop the
same
> > > thing from happening again?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:54 AM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Broker--strengths and weaknesses
> > >
> > >
> > >> Guido
> > >>
> > >> I think we here have as much a philosophical question as a technical
> one.
> > >> As no matter what system is implemented or put in place, both on
> > >> BookShare
> > >> and within our ocr software, someone will find it not to their
liking.
> > >> On the one hand, having page numbers, sections, chapters, etc kept in
> the
> > >> text is invaluable.
> > >> But then when too much of that info is announced, others object.
> > >> My personal preference is to have more rather than less kept; and
> hence,
> > >> a
> > >> lenient stripper;
> > >> but I alredy understand the objections especially among those who do
> > >> automated continuous reading, convert to mp3 and all the rest.
> > >>
> > >> "The Broker" should be a case study in showing just how difficult all
> > >> this
> > >> can be especially when dealing with automated tools and rush scanning
> > >> without hand validating.
> > >> Unintentionally, and this could in no way have been prevented other
> than
> > >> through painstaking effort which would have delayed availability of
the
> > >> book, valuable info was lost.
> > >> In the short-run, having the book immediately available is more
> important
> > >> than having technical glitches dealt with.
> > >> Perhaps the best solution, in a case such as this, is to have the
book
> > >> immediately made available with the originally scanned copy placed on
> the
> > >> step 1 validation page for someone, if they chose, to do the manual
> > >> finetuning.
> > >> Then, once validated, the improved copy would replace the original
one.
>
> > >> That would be the best of both worlds -- quick access but also
> addressing
> > >> the real concerns expressed by Ken that the book isn''t optimally
> labeled
> > >> internally.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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