[bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
- From: "Jane Jordan" <juanitatighan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:47:25 -0600
I prefer books not to have the print page numbers. that's just me, though.
If someone needs page numbers for a report, well ... there are readers who
can look up that sort of thing. That's what I had to do. I told him
aproximately where the passage was and he was ble to find it and give me the
page number. Time-consuming/ sure, but it can be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Scialli" <Peter.s@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> I feel compelled to point out that in two to three years, when this book
> comes out on cassette tape from NLS, it will also not have page numbers.
>
>
> ________________________
> Peter M. Scialli, Ph.D.
> Associate, Technical Projects, Bookshare.org
> www.bookshare.org
>
> A Project of The Benetech Initiative - Technology Serving Humanity
> peter @benetech.org
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
>
>
> >
> > Hi Rui,
> >
> > As far as "The Broker" goes, I am being truthful when I say that page
> > breaks
> > and page numbers are there in my brf copy. So I can't imagine why they
> > would not be there in the Daisy format. True, the validator did a rush
> > job
> > but there was a reason for it--to get the book up there for those of us
> > who
> > read books of that type for pleasure only.
> >
> > I have seen some very excellent books on the bookshare site during the
> > short
> > time I have been a member: i.e., with formatting, page breaks, chapter
> > headings, etc.. I feel confident that when The Brokers is resubmitted
by
> > Pratik it will be in apple pie shape because he has the equipmennt and
> > knows
> > the rules.
> >
> > Incidentally, I would include indices as well if there are any, but I
have
> > never seen a John Grisham book with indices, only acknowledgments.....
> >
> > Sue S.
> > No hate mail please. (smile)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rui" <rui@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:48 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: solution for The Broker (sort of)
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon my fellow booksharians:
> >
> > We have now solved the problem for this one book, it took about a dozen
> > messages, not to mention the book is being re-edited a second time
instead
> > of correcting the original problem.
> > If you think there is a backlog now, if every book when through 2 edits
> > instead of getting it right the first time, you would have a 1500 book
> > step
> > 1 page.
> >
> >
> > For the few times I do read a book as i am currently doing with a
> > validation, (good book brian) i continuously read and the page info does
> > not
> > bother me at all, in fact it is useful. i know that i am on page 134 of
> > the
> > book, not maybe around page 134, but actually on page 134 of the
original
> > text, (because the page # from the book is present)
> >
> > Once the autmated tool hacks at the book, then you have a different
story.
> > no heading, no page #s, no chapter headings, etc.
> >
> > I know that bookshare is fully aware of this and I hope this will come
up
> > at
> > a subsequent meeting with their engineers.
> >
> > You see, like I said in my bio, i'm not much of a reader so consequently
I
> > do not have a bookshare membership. All i do is validate.
> > But it is very disconcerting that books i submit come out in worse shape
> > after i hit the submit button then what my edited copy is here at home.
> >
> > In my opinion, that material should remain in the book.
> > For those of us who don't want it in the book, then the individual user
> > can
> > strip out the headers if they so choose.
> > But for those of us who want the complete text, we can't put the
> > headers/pagebreaks back in once they're gone, we have no recourse.
> > You can take material out of a book, but once it is gone you can't
> > manufacture it and put it back in short of having the print copy. And
at
> > that point, it would be faster to just rescan it yourself.
> >
> >
> > In closing, when Pratik uploads the book again, what's to stop the same
> > thing from happening again?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:54 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Broker--strengths and weaknesses
> >
> >
> >> Guido
> >>
> >> I think we here have as much a philosophical question as a technical
one.
> >> As no matter what system is implemented or put in place, both on
> >> BookShare
> >> and within our ocr software, someone will find it not to their liking.
> >> On the one hand, having page numbers, sections, chapters, etc kept in
the
> >> text is invaluable.
> >> But then when too much of that info is announced, others object.
> >> My personal preference is to have more rather than less kept; and
hence,
> >> a
> >> lenient stripper;
> >> but I alredy understand the objections especially among those who do
> >> automated continuous reading, convert to mp3 and all the rest.
> >>
> >> "The Broker" should be a case study in showing just how difficult all
> >> this
> >> can be especially when dealing with automated tools and rush scanning
> >> without hand validating.
> >> Unintentionally, and this could in no way have been prevented other
than
> >> through painstaking effort which would have delayed availability of the
> >> book, valuable info was lost.
> >> In the short-run, having the book immediately available is more
important
> >> than having technical glitches dealt with.
> >> Perhaps the best solution, in a case such as this, is to have the book
> >> immediately made available with the originally scanned copy placed on
the
> >> step 1 validation page for someone, if they chose, to do the manual
> >> finetuning.
> >> Then, once validated, the improved copy would replace the original one.
> >> That would be the best of both worlds -- quick access but also
addressing
> >> the real concerns expressed by Ken that the book isn''t optimally
labeled
> >> internally.
> >>
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