[bksvol-discuss] Re: proofreading--not using down arrow.
- From: "Lynn I" <lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:29:18 -0500
Hi!
I never proofread using say all mode, either. I need Word (JAWS) to say
"paragraph" or "new line". That doesn't happen, at least for me, using any
other method of reading than line-by-line. *smile*
Blessings.
Lynnsky
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion
I never proof by using down arrow, because it is too hard on my wrists.
I'm curious how that is more useful then using read all. When you use
read all the cursor is always on the word last spoken before you stopped
reading, which saves you from having to find the messed up spot within
the line just spoken. I'm not trying to be critical, I really am just
wondering what advantage you find in that method which I have not
found. Do you maybe use a laptop so you don't have the insert/0 on the
numpad? I know f5 is pretty inconvenient to press all the time for
starting and stopping continuous reading.
If you press end you can see if the line ends with a space or a newline
character. That is what I do if I have stopped continuous reading and
need to know if the line breaks only come at the end of a sentence, or
if they obviously shouldn't be there.
I also noticed the problem you describe with Kurzweil not indicating
whether there are 1 or 2 newline characters with the little sound.
Kurzweil 12 does blip twice for two newline characters. I went from 10
to 12, so until this message I didn't know when that change had been
implemented. It's really too bad that wasn't fixed earlier.
There was also something in your message about pages. As far as I
remember blank pages always did cause either an announcement of blank
page or two little squawky sounds in a row.
Kurzweil 12, or probably the newer scanning engines included in it, have
a habit of creating excessive white space that must be removed in order
to keep your sanity while editing. I'm sure it is just trying to be
accurate about the number of perceived blank lines between text in the
book, but it isn't what we are used to. Fortunately it doesn't put in
extra lines within paragraphs. I'm working on learning the regular
expression that will get rid of any more than two newlines in a row.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
http://curiousnetentity.com
On 5/9/2010 4:05 PM, Jill O'Connell wrote:
> The problem I ran into with the "little sound" for paragraph markers
> is that if one is proofing by downarrowing, that feature doesn't work.
> Also I have found that even though I have Kurzweil set to recognize
> blank pages, it does not recognize blank lines unless I am using the
> down arrow. Do other Kurzweil users find this to be the case. I am
> using version 11.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck"
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> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 1:36 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion
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>> I tend to proof with speech, because even though I have a braile note,
>> it doesn't work with the book in kurzweil which really helps with
>> proofing. I'm too slow when reading braille besides.
>>
>> If you are really used to a synthesizer you can tell what the
>> punctuation is like even without all punctuation turned on. I don't
>> think it is as easy to proof with speech when using some of the newer
>> real concatenated speech engines. I have only learned to proof with
>> eloquence and keynote.
>> I also check for the few small things that might not be obvious with
>> speech. Spaces around dashes for instance. I usually search for junk
>> characters and quotes with spaces around them at the same time I fix
>> em-dash and ellipsis issues. Most improper punctuation is immediately
>> obvious, and I think I actually catch small errors in words much better
>> with speech than do proof readers that do it by sight. I'm sure you've
>> heard about the little weirdness of people's brains that make them see
>> the correct word if the beginning and end of it are alright. :-) From
>> the junk I notice in things my synthesizer reads to me, I know very well
>> that it is true that sight isn't always better for proofreading. I know
>> braille readers can catch things just as well, though.
>> I turn on a feature of kurzweil that makes a little tiny sound when
>> there is a new paragraph character, so I know if improper or missing
>> newlines are an issue in the book.
>>
>> Sarah Van Oosterwijck
>>
>> http://curiousnetentity.com
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/2010 6:06 PM, Andromache wrote:
>>> Yes, the symbols for the fractions do not show up well at all on a
>>> display. Neither do bullets.
>>>
>>> Andromache
>>>
>>> P.S. How do those with no Braille display do proofing? Set the screen
>>> reader to all punctuation? I prefer Braille, because I like tactile
>>> feedback and much prefer to see words than to be read to. Also helps
>>> to keep my spelling skills sharp. But I find that all punctuation is a
>>> very distracting way to read.
>>>
>>> On 5/7/2010 5:35 AM, Debby Franson wrote:
>>>> Hi Jill and everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I have submitted a cookbook, I have made sure all fractions
>>>> are correct. I have wondered how accurate other Bookshare cookbooks
>>>> were until joining this list when I have found that many volunteers
>>>> take care to correct the scanos, since fractions are usually horrible
>>>> for OCR to get right.
>>>>
>>>> The first cookbook I downloaded years ago was "The I Hate to Cook"
>>>> cookbook. The fractions were not written as 1/2 and 1/4 but the
>>>> higher ASCII characters for those fractions, so, unless I was left'
>>>> or right-arrowing over those fractions, Window-Eyes ignored them
>>>> entirely, so I hope that people always use the 1/2 and 1/4 form of
>>>> the fractions so they are read rather than ignored by synthetic
>>>> speech.. I suspect those higher ASCII characters don't show up well
>>>> on a braille display either. Am I right? Here they are to test:
>>>>
>>>> ¼ ½
>>>>
>>>> Debby
>>>>
>>>> At 09:46 PM 5/6/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote
>>>>> I hope you sent your suggestion to the volunteer coordinator where
>>>>> it might possibly do some good. It is really disappointing to
>>>>> download a recipe book and find it virtually unreadable.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>Melissa Smith
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only the outsourcers did as fine a job as many of the scanners
>>>>>> and proofers on this list. I don't know how many books I've read,
>>>>>> that were done by the outsourcers, that were poorly done. I do make
>>>>>> quality reports when warranted. Not to mention the fact that, I was
>>>>>> told a few months ago by Bookshare staff, that the outsourcers
>>>>>> wouldn't be working on any more cookbooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melissa Smith
>>>>>> On 5/6/2010 5:31 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
>>>>>>> One idea is to let the more complicated books be handled by
>>>>>>> staff/outsourcers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jamie in Michigan
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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