[bksvol-discuss] Re: double column formatting
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:59:12 -0800 (PST)
Thanks. I did try to sve the change but I don't think
I was in the text of the document. I think I'd just
opened it and was at the beginning. I'll try your
suggestion next time. Thanks.
Cindy
--- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Yes, did you save the change? Sometimes if your
> not actually in the text
> of the document, it won't change. And you also must
> tell it to do it to the
> whole document, which is a choice as you tab down.
> HTH Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:48 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> formatting
>
>
> > Thnks, Tom. Do you meant to go to Custom Paper
> size? I
> > can't change the length of legal. I did try to set
> > length using Custom paper size but I couldn't get
> it
> > to stay. I'll try again the next time I need more
> page
> > length.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > --- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Just go to page setup, go to paper size and
> >> select legal and increase
> >> page length to twenty inches. If Word complains
> tell
> >> it to ignore the margin
> >> problem. HTH Tom
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:14 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >>
> >>
> >> > Those extra page breaks Word puts in are not
> hard
> >> page breaks, but only
> >> > "soft" page breaks. They will not show up in
> the
> >> rtf file submitted to
> >> > Bookshare. There is a method that Tom Hawkins
> - I
> >> believe - posted here
> >> > about how to lengthen Word's pages to prevent
> >> those soft page breaks, but
> >> > I'll have to look for it. But anyway, they are
> >> not going to show up in
> >> > the Bookshare file.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 1:17 AM
> >> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Pratik,
> >> >>
> >> >> Your method sounds practical if the page isn't
> >> too long, but on crowded,
> >> >> long pages, even when I adjust page length to
> >> make it as long as possible
> >> >> to accommodate all of the information, Word
> puts
> >> in its own page breaks
> >> >> and what would I do with those? My method does
> >> make extra pages, but the
> >> >> numbers still conform to the correct print
> pages
> >> with the a and b making
> >> >> it possible for page breaks to appear when I
> >> expect them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Those extra page breaks inserted by Microsoft
> >> word unnerve me. If anyone
> >> >> can explain how I can make these more than
> double
> >> long pages on a single
> >> >> page without those extra breaks, I'll abandon
> my
> >> current method in a
> >> >> heartbeat.
> >> >>
> >> >> Always with love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Lissi
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:35 AM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double column
> >> formatting
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Lissi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The trouble with this method, especially when
> >> submitting a book, is that
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> then end up having more pages in a book than
> >> warranted. Unless you only
> >> >>> do
> >> >>> this for your personal use, you should follow
> a
> >> slightly modified method
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> just putting the second column at the bottom
> of
> >> the first column and let
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> page continue.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pratik
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Estelnalissi
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:13 PM
> >> >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] double column
> >> formatting
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dear Bookshare Volunteers,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My solution for dealing with indices and
> pages
> >> with long double columns
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> to put each column on a new page and to label
> >> the pages a and b. If page
> >> >>> 364
> >> >>>
> >> >>> is a glossary with 2 columns I label the page
> >> with the first column 364a
> >> >>> and
> >> >>>
> >> >>> at the end of that column put in a page
> break. I
> >> label the next page
> >> >>> 364b
> >> >>> and then put in the second column flush with
> the
> >> left margin as I did
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> first. That way, I don't get overlong pages
> and
> >> numerically the pages
> >> >>> remain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> true to the text and best of all, I don't
> have
> >> to worry about how to
> >> >>> format
> >> >>> the second column. When I've tried putting
> the 2
> >> columns in a table,
> >> >>> navigating as I validate is clumsy because I
> >> really don't know how to
> >> >>> make
> >> >>> the cursor move between columns.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My solution is as low tech as it gets with
> >> Microsoft word but it gets me
> >> >>> through those long academic appendices,
> letting
> >> me concentrate on the
> >> >>> accuracy of the content more than formatting.
> >> From my point of view as a
> >> >>> braille Bookshare reader as well as a
> validator,
> >> this method is
> >> >>> uncomplicated, and easy to negotiate in a brf
> >> file.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Cindy, if I get caught up enough in my
> reading
> >> and validating, I'll let
> >> >>> you
> >> >>> know how your columns appear in the braille
> file
> >> of 100 Women who Shaped
> >> >>> World History, but even if they're scrambled,
> >> I'm sure the text will be
> >> >>> terrific and pleasant, informative, reading.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The double columned contents of, The Devil
> and
> >> the Giro, which I
> >> >>> recently
> >> >>> finished validating, appeared in a table, and
> >> out of curiosity, I left
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> that way. I'll be curious to see if the tools
> >> morphed the table in to
> >> >>> some
> >> >>> different arrangement. There again, if the
> >> contents are muddled, the
> >> >>> stories
> >> >>>
> >> >>> will still be in tact.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I hope any of you who have a different
> approach
> >> for formatting double
> >> >>> columns or who have read books in the
> collection
> >> which have them will
> >> >>> tell
> >> >>> us what you do or how the columns look to you
> as
> >> braille or audio
> >> >>> readers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Always with love,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lissi
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Grandma Cindy"
> <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:32 AM
> >> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] columns question
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I know how to create columns on page using
> >> Word. Are
> >> >>>> they retained when bookshare converts the
> >> books? When
> >> >>>> viewing the page in Page Layout the page
> >> appears in
> >> >>>> two columns, as it should, but only as one
> long
> >> column
> >> >>>> with the continuous section break in the
> other
> >> View
> >> >>>> options.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> A couple of years ago when I had to create
> >> columns for
> >> >>>> a Table of Contents to Fit on a page, and
> some
> >> pages,
> >> >>>> I did it using tabs, so the book must look
> >> awful. I
> >> >>>> didn't know tabs got erased. I could redo
> the
> >> book
> >> >>>> with the columns that the book itself had if
> >> columns
> >> >>>> are retained.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Has anyone downloaded 100 Women Who Shaped
> >> World
> >> >>>> History from the collection? It's a
> wonderful
> >> >>>> reference book for both children and adults.
> >> Does it
> >> >>>> need reformatting when I get the chance?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Cindy
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >
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