Indeed, this is the case Mike, I like the analogy. But a beginner, becomes an intermediate and an expert by scanning and submitting, asking questions, getting rejections, learning from his/her mistakes. Can you believe it, I have been volunteering for Bookshare now four years! It just came to me and I am still learning things about the process, smile. Jane and Mike keep submitting, and everyone keep asking questions. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner