[bksvol-discuss] Re: Wishlist Request
- From: Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:03:33 EDT
The problem is that people really do have different ideas of what
constitutes strong language. I know that I have been criticized for using
obscene
words when it did not even occur to me that anyone might consider the words I
was using (specifically, pissed off) as obscene. Personally, I consider
racist name calling to be offensive language, but I have heard certain people
toss racist epithets around in a very casual manner while still gasping with
indignation at the very suggestion of a sexual reference. If, somehow, you are
really sensitive to certain words that you can't bear to read them then I
can only suggest that you do choose books based on the recommendations of
people you know who have similar tastes to your own. If you do stray away from
your usual fare and you come across a word that you might consider naughty
then I really do think you can survive the shock long enough to stop reading
before you imbibe a toxic dose.
Let me add that the "adult" filter at Bookshare is totally unnecessary.
There is already a children's category. Presumably, if a book is not listed as
a children's book it is intended for adults. The information is there and if
adults are interested only in adult books they can choose them and if
children are interested only in children's books they can choose those. It also
happens that if an adult wants to read a children's book or if a child wants
to read an adult book they can make that choice while being informed
beforehand that that is the choice they are making. There is no need for anyone
else to make the choice for them.
"The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies
the end.
" Leon Trotsky
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I agree with you Roger.
Is there a way though, orhas this already been thought of,
how can I find out Christian books are wonderful for me,
but say I want to read another book,
how can I know that book doesn't have strong language or explisit
descriptions for me,
I can read wonderful reading without either o of these things, so I'm
limiting myself because I am afraid I will get into a book that for me I can't
deal
with.
How can I know that a book is OK for Gwen to read, can you find out I
guess I can just go on reccommendations from y'all knowing what you know about
me
if I'd like a book or not.
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Wishlist Request
Well, if a book is inappropriate for a ten-year-old then that ten-year-old
will undoubtedly get bored with it or fail to understand it and will stop
reading
it. If the ten-year-old is interested in it and finishes it then it must be
appropriate. Obviously that which is inappropriate for some ten-year-olds
is
appropriate for other ten-year-olds just like books that are appropriate
for some forty-year-olds and which those forty-year-olds will devour will be
completely
inappropriate for other forty-year-olds who will be completely bored by the
content. The point is that the only person who can decide the
appropriateness
of a book is the person who chooses to read it or not read it. What gets
under my skin is when someone decides for another person what is appropriate
or
inappropriate. Let the ten-year-olds, the sixteen-year-olds and the
eighty-year-olds and every other age range decide for themselves.
"The end
may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.
" Leon Trotsky
The Militant:
http://www.themilitant.com
Pathfinder Press:
http://www.pathfinderpress.com
Granma International:
http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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Date:
9/2/2009 12:19:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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Of course I see other issues with such a designation, especially with
how it is set up as a one-size on-off. There are lots of books that
are entirely inappropriate for a 10 year old, far far fewer for a 16
or 17 year old. I'm not sure there is anything purely text that would
produce the reaction in me that the proofing guide uses when talking
about such a teen.
On 9/1/09, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx <Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> That could be part of the problem too, but I am suddenly reminded of a
> funny story. I said that the censor types insist on imposing their own
> tastes on
> everyone else. Actually, now that I think about it, it may not even be
> their own tastes. There was a guy I once knew who was an official at my
> city's
> most prominent Presbyterian church. He wasn't a minister and I don't know
> exactly what he was, but he had his own private office in the church and
he
> absolutely never appeared in public wearing anything but a gray suit and
a
> neck
> tie. He was the pillar of the community type. Now, obviously, this is not
> the kind of person I would hang out with. I only knew him barely and that
> was
> only because I knew his daughter a lot better. She was a much more
regular
> kind of person. She could party for one thing. Her father's idea of
partying
> was probably a stiff formal dinner with the city fathers. Well, the time
> came when I got a job as a sales clerk in a porn shop and suddenly he had
a
> pair of automobile floor mats that he wanted to give me. Not only that,
but
> he
> wanted to deliver them to me at my place of employment. I assure you, he
> could have given them to me elsewhere quite easily or even transmitted
them
> to
> me through his daughter. When he came into the shop it was all I could do
> to keep from bursting out laughing. He was trying his best to look
> nonchalant
> and appear to ignore the wares on display, but I could see his eyes
darting
> around and he was nearly salivating. The mats were obviously an excuse to
> check out the interior of a porn shop. I even felt a little sorry for
him. I
> am sure that he really wanted to open up some of the magazines or watch
some
> of the videos, but the mats did not provide an excuse for that and he
> couldn't come up with an excuse. In retrospect I wonder what he would
have
> said
> if I had offered to show him some of those things. Now the issue never
came
> up, but I knew him and his type well enough that I am sure that if, for
> example, someone had proposed a city ordinance to shut the store down for
> "indecency" that he would most likely have been all for such an
ordinance.
> So, yes,
> censorship is the practice of imposing one's own tastes on everyone else,
> but it is also the practice of imposing the tastes that one wants
everyone
> to
> think one has on everyone else.
>
>
> "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that
justifies
> the end.
> " Leon Trotsky
>
> The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder
Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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> 9/1/2009 10:55:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> The problem is that because this rating has such a low threshold, and the
> submitter cannot change it, that if a book gets one of those quick
proofing
> jobs,
> the proof reader may not even check the rating. So the books get into the
> collection with an adult rating because the submitter can't change it,
and
> the
> proofer may not bother to check.
>
> Evan
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> From:
> Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:27 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Wishlist Request
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> I think it is both, but since at least the proofreader can change that
> designation I think it is mostly the latter. The censorship mind set is
> inherently
> a mind set that insists on imposing one's own tastes on everyone else. It
> is known by various names including self-righteousness,
> holier-than-thou-ness,
> arrogance and imperiousness.
>
> "The end
> may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the
end.
> " Leon Trotsky
>
> The Militant:
> http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International:
> http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html
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> 9/1/2009 9:03:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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> The adult content scan must have an incredibly low threshold. That or
> there are submitters who think no child/teen should read anything more
> risque than Nancy Drew.
>
> On 9/1/09, gwen tweedy <gstweedy@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Speaking of books to add to series,
>> I hope one day
>> they get book 3 I can't for the life of me think of what it is
>> but they have Independence and the last in the 4 is Origon in the Wagons
>> west series by Dana Fuller Ross,
>> There are several messing,
>> and to get them whenever is cool,
>> but you actually need the 3rd book to make at least the first 4
> complete.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kelby Carlson" <kelbycarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:41 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Wishlist Request
>>
>>
>>> Dear Booksharians,
>>>
>>> I would like to request the following be added to the collection:
>>>
>>> The Wolves of the Calla (The Dark Tower, Book 5)
>>>
>>> It's the only one in this series that is missing, and I'd really like
to
>>> read it.
>>>
>>>
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