[bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?

From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 22:04:42 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks, Sue.
Cindy

--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Sue Stevens <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 9:56 PM
> 
> Hi Cindy,
> 
> No matter what, it seems that someone will have a different
> opinion.  I have 
> heard people say they do not like hearing asterisks, and
> they just put one. 
> Even with just one, a line would be skipped.  I put
> three without spaces.
> 
> Sue S.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Cindy
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:26 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> 
> Thanks, Susan. Someone at one point complained that 3 went
> by too quickly 
> for her, but I'll do that.
> Cindy
> 
> --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Susan Lumpkin <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Susan Lumpkin <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:23 PM
> > I usually put three asterisks Cindy.
> >
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Cindy
> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:05 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> >
> > Thanks, Roger I read this after I responded to your
> earlier
> > post.  Now I understand better why the headings
> have to
> > be as they are supposed to be. I still wonder ow many
> > asterisks  are most desirable. Are 5 too many? 3
> too
> > few?
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 5/28/11, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 10:00 AM Cindy,
> Daisy
> > stands for digital
> > > accessible information system. It can be text,
> audio
> > or text and audio
> > > Daisy. It is a collection of files that work
> together
> > to allow for
> > > navigation through a book. That is, the intention
> is
> > to make the
> > > reading experience for blind people closer to
> that of
> > the sighted
> > > people. Personally, when I use a Daisy book I do
> > listen to them. I use
> > > the audio Daisy books from the NLS BARD site
> which are
> > recorded human
> > > voices and I use the Daisy books from Bookshare
> in
> > which case I listen
> > > to a synthetic voice read them, but if you are
> sighted
> > it should not
> > > be a problem to read them visually.
> > > Braille is another matter, though. I don't think
> Daisy
> > will work with
> > > Braille. You might want to take a look at the FAQ
> at
> > Open Library.
> > > They give an explanation of Daisy there and I
> think
> > there is a link to
> > > a site that is all about Daisy and should give an
> even
> > better
> > > explanation, but I have never actually bothered
> to
> > take a look at that
> > > site myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > _     _     
> _
> > >
> > > "One of the things that is wrong with religion is
> that
> > it teaches us
> > > to be satisfied with answers which are not
> really
> > answers at all." -
> > > Richard Dawkins
> > >
> > > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/rogerbailey81
> > >
> > >
> > > The Militant:
> > > http://www.themilitant.com
> > > Pathfinder Press:
> > > http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> > > Granma International:
> > >  http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:26 PM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] What is Daisy?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm a little late in asking this question. smile.
> I've
> > assumed people
> > > who use a Daisy reader listen to the books.
> > > What is a Daisy standard, and how does it differ
> from
> > what Braille
> > > readers need? I'd like to make my proofs easy for
> both
> > groups.
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > Whoever has time to answer this question cAN
> explain
> > to me offlist
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 5/27/11, Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds,
> italics,
> > > ellipses
> > > > To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> > > <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:12 PM Hi
> All,
> > > >
> > > > My public apology to Mayrie for posting a
> note
> > that I intended to be
> > > > private. For the record, Mayrie's grasp of
> the
> > > technical
> > > > and policy world
> > > > we work in is top-notch. I count on her
> knowledge
> > to
> > > guide
> > > > me. The advice
> > > > she gives you here on the list is sound.
> > > >
> > > > On this particular issue, as with several
> others,
> > we balance what
> > > > you might call "multiple jurisdictions."
> What you
> > see in
> > > the
> > > > manual reflects
> > > > that balancing act. We use the manual to lay
> down
> > the baseline so
> > > > that this group can mentor new volunteers on
> the
> > trickier points.
> > > >
> > > > Bookshare is being visited this week by the
> > person
> > > who
> > > > oversees our
> > > > federal government contract to add textbooks
> to
> > the collection. She
> > > > is full of praise for the combined work of
> > volunteers
> > > and
> > > > staff. She
> > > > explicitly mentioned that she, and others
> in
> > > government
> > > > agencies, have
> > > > noticed the improved quality of our books
> over
> > the
> > > past
> > > > five years. That
> > > > is a credit to each of you. It also means
> that
> > we
> > > have
> > > > several audiences
> > > > to please on issues that do not always have
> neat
> > > answers.
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes standards of quality conflict. We
> try
> > to
> > > balance.
> > > > Some technical
> > > > solutions that are the best for members are
> not
> > > supported
> > > > by readers'
> > > > software or hardware yet. Sometimes what
> works
> > best
> > > in
> > > > Braille is less
> > > > elegant in RTF or vice versa. When we are
> faced
> > with conflicting or
> > > > emerging standards we defer to the DAISY
> > standard.
> > > That is
> > > > what we ask the
> > > > publishing industry to do. In the absence of
> a
> > DAISY standard,
> > > > keeping I mind the current limits of readers
> and
> > AT, we try to
> > > find a
> > > > balance that
> > > > does not put a burden on proofreaders yet
> also
> > meets
> > > the
> > > > needs members.
> > > >
> > > > The manual evolves. Part of the way it does
> so
> > is
> > > with
> > > > discussions like
> > > > these.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > On 5/27/11 9:27 AM, "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi Scott and everyone!
> > > > >
> > > > >I agree that the manual isn't giving
> > optional
> > > > information. I just wish
> > > > >the
> > > > >manual was updated to agree with
> > transcribing
> > > rules so
> > > > these discussions
> > > > >wouldn't have to come up again and again
> so
> > that
> > > > instructions given onlist
> > > > >and in the manual would agree. When new
> > > > volunteers come aboard, the
> > > > >discussions fly through the list again.
> I
> > > > appreciate it that we
> > > > >volunteers
> > > > >want to do the right thing so that the
> books
> > will
> > > be
> > > > well-formatted and
> > > > >accurate.
> > > > >
> > > > >I hope readers have a good reading
> experience
> > no
> > > matter
> > > > what method is
> > > > >chosen for reading.
> > > > >
> > > > >Debby
> > > > >
> > > > >At 04:59 PM 5/25/2011, Scott Rains
> wrote
> > > > >>Mayrie,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Let me rein you in on a point
> below.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>We never want to be telling people
> that
> > the
> > > manual
> > > > is giving optional
> > > > >>activities that aren't required.
> Bold
> > and
> > > italic,
> > > > like font size, are
> > > > >>required.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>They may be required for different
> > reasons.
> > > Font
> > > > size is what DAISY
> > > > >>navigates on so is technically
> required
> > for
> > > > navigation. Italics are most
> > > > >>often in the book so required as
> part of
> > our
> > > > adherence to retaining the
> > > > >>integrity of the publisher's
> > intellectual
> > > property.
> > > > Bold may be that or
> > > > >>it
> > > > >>may be a way to imitate some of the
> font
> > and
> > > > kerning variations of a
> > > > >>print
> > > > >>book as a reading aid for sighted
> > readers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>This is sort of the flip side of
> the
> > > conversation
> > > > we had recently when
> > > > >>you
> > > > >>asked me not to announce a change in
> the
> > > manual.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>scott
> > > > >>
> > > > >>On 5/21/11 12:27 PM, "Mayrie ReNae"
> > <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Hi Charisma,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Oh, boy. I'm going to copy a
> section
> > on
> > > > the ellipsis that is our
> > > > >>standard
> > > > >> >for handling them so that they
> > represent
> > > > properly in braille. This is
> > > > >>what
> > > > >> >Bookshare would like you to
> do,
> > please.
> > > I'll
> > > > paste it below my
> > > > >>signature.
> > > > >> >And then I'll save a copy for
> > myself,
> > > because
> > > > it's going to be a pain
> > > > >>in
> > > > >> >the
> > > > >> >neck to copy here from the
> braille
> > book
> > > that I
> > > > have it in that tells
> > > > >>how
> > > > >> >to
> > > > >> >format braille properly. Tell
> me
> > that
> > > > you love me, because I have to
> > > > >>read
> > > > >> >with two hands, remember enough
> to
> > type,
> > > type
> > > > it and go back and read
> > > > >>some
> > > > >> >more. But all of your
> questions
> > about
> > > > how to handle the ellipsis will
> > > > >>be
> > > > >> >answered!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >As for bold, it does not
> denote
> > headings,
> > > the
> > > > enlarged size
> > > > >> >Of the font does that. The
> bolding
> > is
> > > > helpful, and we like it, but it
> > > > >> >isn't
> > > > >> >required. So you needn't go
> back and
> > fix
> > > them
> > > > if you don't want to.
> > > > >> >Bookshare does not require that
> you
> > keep
> > > > either bold or italics. That
> > > > >> >said,
> > > > >> >as a reader yourself, with the
> > ability
> > > to
> > > > perceive italics, would you
> > > > >> >personally prefer to have it
> in
> > there?
> > > > Many do, some people don't
> > > > >>care.
> > > > >> >My
> > > > >> >advice, leave what you've done
> be
> > for
> > > this
> > > > book, call it a learning
> > > > >> >experience, and don't remove
> the
> > italics
> > > in
> > > > future books. Torture is
> > > > >>not
> > > > >> >the name of the game here, and
> I
> > know
> > > that
> > > > there are lots of books from
> > > > >> >which italics have been removed
> by
> > folks
> > > who
> > > > didn't know they mattered.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Okay, I'm going to paste/type
> below
> > the
> > > > information on how to properly
> > > > >> >handle the ellipsis.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Mayrie
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >The ellipsis should be
> punctuated as
> > if
> > > it
> > > > were a word. Examples:
> > > > >> >"Fools rush in ..."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"... for they shall inherit
> the
> > earth"
> > > > >> > "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and
> out.
> > In
> > > ...
> > > > >> >and out."
> > > > >> >An ellipsis and a period.
> Sometimes
> > an
> > > > ellipsis appears to be four
> > > > >>dots
> > > > >> >rather than three. This is
> because
> > the
> > > > ellipsis is either preceded or
> > > > >> >followed by a period. Since
> the
> > braille
> > > period
> > > > is not the same as the
> > > > >>dots
> > > > >> >of an ellipsis, it must be
> > determined
> > > which of
> > > > the four dots is the
> > > > >> >period.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >If the sentence is incomplete,
> does
> > not
> > > > contain a subject and a verb
> > > > >>and
> > > > >> >express a complete thought,
> then
> > the
> > > ellipsis
> > > > is taking the place of
> > > > >> >missing
> > > > >> >words within the sentence--in
> which
> > the
> > > period
> > > > immediately follows the
> > > > >> >ellipsis, just as it would a
> word.
> > If a
> > > > sentence is gramatically
> > > > >>complete,
> > > > >> >the first dot represents the
> period
> > and
> > > the
> > > > ellipsis represents a
> > > > >> >following
> > > > >> >missing sentence or sentences.
> In
> > this
> > > case a
> > > > blank cell (a space) is
> > > > >>left
> > > > >> >between the period and the
> > following
> > > > ellipsis.
> > > > >> >Example:
> > > > >> >As you can see, I have
> followed
> > your
> > > career.
> > > > ... As to my own ....
> > > > >>Well,
> > > > >> >you
> > > > >> >know the story.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Charisma
> > > > >> >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011
> 11:24
> > AM
> > > > >> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss]
> bolds,
> > > italics,
> > > > ellipses
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >In the book I just scanned,
> from
> > which I
> > > > erroneously erased all italics
> > > > >> >and
> > > > >> >bolds, the bolds were found in
> the
> > > glossary,
> > > > for each new word.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Ought I to have left those
> bolds? I
> > > thought
> > > > anything that was in bold
> > > > >> >indicated to the converter that
> that
> > was
> > > a
> > > > heading? Of course, in this
> > > > >> >case,
> > > > >> >perhaps each new word in the
> > glossary
> > > ought to
> > > > be it's own heading? I
> > > > >> >already had the beginning of
> the
> > Glossary
> > > at
> > > > font point 16.
> > > > >> >I wonder now if I ought to have
> made
> > each
> > > word
> > > > in the glossary font
> > > > >>point
> > > > >> >14, each word a subheading.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >OK, and since I erased every
> last
> > italic
> > > in
> > > > this 255+ page book, ought
> > > > >>I
> > > > >> >to
> > > > >> >go back and replace them all?
> I
> > will
> > > because I
> > > > want the book to be
> > > > >>perfect
> > > > >> >but do I NEED to? (can you
> guess how
> > I
> > > am
> > > > hoping? lol)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Finally, ellipses. I have a
> > question
> > > > about your experiences. All
> > > > >>ellipses
> > > > >> >in these examples are three
> dots,
> > not
> > > spaces
> > > > between them. On my Victor
> > > > >> >Reader Stream, Set-up #1 If
> there is
> > a
> > > > word, then an ellipsis right up
> > > > >> >against it, then a space, then
> the
> > next
> > > word,
> > > > it reads fine; I never
> > > > >>know
> > > > >> >there is an ellipsis there.
> > > > >> >Set-up #2 If there is a word,
> then
> > a
> > > space,
> > > > then the ellipsis, then a
> > > > >> >space,
> > > > >> >then the next word, I hear" dot
> dot
> > > dot".
> > > > >> >Set-up #3 If there is a word
> and
> > either
> > > a
> > > > space or no space, then an
> > > > >> >ellipsis then no space then
> the
> > next
> > > word, if
> > > > that next word has an
> > > > >> >apostrophe it will not read
> > properly.
> > > That is,
> > > > if the ellipsis pushes
> > > > >>up
> > > > >> >against the word God's (like
> this
> > > ",,,God's"),
> > > > my reader will read
> > > > >>that as
> > > > >> >"dot dot dot God s"
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >I cannot remember which book it
> was
> > that
> > > was
> > > > doing this so I can't
> > > > >> >doublecheck it in Victor Reader
> Soft
> > but
> > > I am
> > > > pretty sure these
> > > > >>problems
> > > > >> >are
> > > > >> >the same in there.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >My TextAloud does not care as
> far as
> > #3
> > > > goes--it does not neglect
> > > > >> >apostrophes.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Also, hate hate hate four dot
> > ellipses.
> > > Period
> > > > OR ellipsis, author
> > > > >>people,
> > > > >> >not period AND ellipsis. I made
> an
> > > executive
> > > > decision and made half 4
> > > > >>dot
> > > > >> >and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page
> book
> > I
> > > just
> > > > did. Which shall I fix?
> > > > >> >
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