From: Susan Lumpkin <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 1:23 PM
I usually put three asterisks Cindy.
Susan
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Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:05 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
Thanks, Roger I read this after I responded to your earlier
post. Now I understand better why the headings have to
be as they are supposed to be. I still wonder ow many
asterisks are most desirable. Are 5 too many? 3 too
few?
Cindy
--- On Sat, 5/28/11, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is Daisy?
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, May 28, 2011, 10:00 AM Cindy, Daisy
stands for digital
> accessible information system. It can be text, audio
or text and audio
> Daisy. It is a collection of files that work together
to allow for
> navigation through a book. That is, the intention is
to make the
> reading experience for blind people closer to that of
the sighted
> people. Personally, when I use a Daisy book I do
listen to them. I use
> the audio Daisy books from the NLS BARD site which are
recorded human
> voices and I use the Daisy books from Bookshare in
which case I listen
> to a synthetic voice read them, but if you are sighted
it should not
> be a problem to read them visually.
> Braille is another matter, though. I don't think Daisy
will work with
> Braille. You might want to take a look at the FAQ at
Open Library.
> They give an explanation of Daisy there and I think
there is a link to
> a site that is all about Daisy and should give an even
better
> explanation, but I have never actually bothered to
take a look at that
> site myself.
>
>
> _ _ _
>
> "One of the things that is wrong with religion is that
it teaches us
> to be satisfied with answers which are not really
answers at all." -
> Richard Dawkins
>
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>
>
> The Militant:
> http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press:
> http://www.pathfinderpress.com
> Granma International:
> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:26 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] What is Daisy?
>
>
>
> I'm a little late in asking this question. smile. I've
assumed people
> who use a Daisy reader listen to the books.
> What is a Daisy standard, and how does it differ from
what Braille
> readers need? I'd like to make my proofs easy for both
groups.
> Cindy
>
> Whoever has time to answer this question cAN explain
to me offlist
>
> --- On Fri, 5/27/11, Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bolds, italics,
> ellipses
> > To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Friday, May 27, 2011, 12:12 PM Hi All,
> >
> > My public apology to Mayrie for posting a note
that I intended to be
> > private. For the record, Mayrie's grasp of the
> technical
> > and policy world
> > we work in is top-notch. I count on her knowledge
to
> guide
> > me. The advice
> > she gives you here on the list is sound.
> >
> > On this particular issue, as with several others,
we balance what
> > you might call "multiple jurisdictions." What you
see in
> the
> > manual reflects
> > that balancing act. We use the manual to lay down
the baseline so
> > that this group can mentor new volunteers on the
trickier points.
> >
> > Bookshare is being visited this week by the
person
> who
> > oversees our
> > federal government contract to add textbooks to
the collection. She
> > is full of praise for the combined work of
volunteers
> and
> > staff. She
> > explicitly mentioned that she, and others in
> government
> > agencies, have
> > noticed the improved quality of our books over
the
> past
> > five years. That
> > is a credit to each of you. It also means that
we
> have
> > several audiences
> > to please on issues that do not always have neat
> answers.
> >
> > Sometimes standards of quality conflict. We try
to
> balance.
> > Some technical
> > solutions that are the best for members are not
> supported
> > by readers'
> > software or hardware yet. Sometimes what works
best
> in
> > Braille is less
> > elegant in RTF or vice versa. When we are faced
with conflicting or
> > emerging standards we defer to the DAISY
standard.
> That is
> > what we ask the
> > publishing industry to do. In the absence of a
DAISY standard,
> > keeping I mind the current limits of readers and
AT, we try to
> find a
> > balance that
> > does not put a burden on proofreaders yet also
meets
> the
> > needs members.
> >
> > The manual evolves. Part of the way it does so
is
> with
> > discussions like
> > these.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On 5/27/11 9:27 AM, "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Scott and everyone!
> > >
> > >I agree that the manual isn't giving
optional
> > information. I just wish
> > >the
> > >manual was updated to agree with
transcribing
> rules so
> > these discussions
> > >wouldn't have to come up again and again so
that
> > instructions given onlist
> > >and in the manual would agree. When new
> > volunteers come aboard, the
> > >discussions fly through the list again. I
> > appreciate it that we
> > >volunteers
> > >want to do the right thing so that the books
will
> be
> > well-formatted and
> > >accurate.
> > >
> > >I hope readers have a good reading experience
no
> matter
> > what method is
> > >chosen for reading.
> > >
> > >Debby
> > >
> > >At 04:59 PM 5/25/2011, Scott Rains wrote
> > >>Mayrie,
> > >>
> > >>Let me rein you in on a point below.
> > >>
> > >>We never want to be telling people that
the
> manual
> > is giving optional
> > >>activities that aren't required. Bold
and
> italic,
> > like font size, are
> > >>required.
> > >>
> > >>They may be required for different
reasons.
> Font
> > size is what DAISY
> > >>navigates on so is technically required
for
> > navigation. Italics are most
> > >>often in the book so required as part of
our
> > adherence to retaining the
> > >>integrity of the publisher's
intellectual
> property.
> > Bold may be that or
> > >>it
> > >>may be a way to imitate some of the font
and
> > kerning variations of a
> > >>print
> > >>book as a reading aid for sighted
readers.
> > >>
> > >>This is sort of the flip side of the
> conversation
> > we had recently when
> > >>you
> > >>asked me not to announce a change in the
> manual.
> > >>
> > >>scott
> > >>
> > >>On 5/21/11 12:27 PM, "Mayrie ReNae"
<mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Hi Charisma,
> > >> >
> > >> >Oh, boy. I'm going to copy a section
on
> > the ellipsis that is our
> > >>standard
> > >> >for handling them so that they
represent
> > properly in braille. This is
> > >>what
> > >> >Bookshare would like you to do,
please.
> I'll
> > paste it below my
> > >>signature.
> > >> >And then I'll save a copy for
myself,
> because
> > it's going to be a pain
> > >>in
> > >> >the
> > >> >neck to copy here from the braille
book
> that I
> > have it in that tells
> > >>how
> > >> >to
> > >> >format braille properly. Tell me
that
> > you love me, because I have to
> > >>read
> > >> >with two hands, remember enough to
type,
> type
> > it and go back and read
> > >>some
> > >> >more. But all of your questions
about
> > how to handle the ellipsis will
> > >>be
> > >> >answered!
> > >> >
> > >> >As for bold, it does not denote
headings,
> the
> > enlarged size
> > >> >Of the font does that. The bolding
is
> > helpful, and we like it, but it
> > >> >isn't
> > >> >required. So you needn't go back and
fix
> them
> > if you don't want to.
> > >> >Bookshare does not require that you
keep
> > either bold or italics. That
> > >> >said,
> > >> >as a reader yourself, with the
ability
> to
> > perceive italics, would you
> > >> >personally prefer to have it in
there?
> > Many do, some people don't
> > >>care.
> > >> >My
> > >> >advice, leave what you've done be
for
> this
> > book, call it a learning
> > >> >experience, and don't remove the
italics
> in
> > future books. Torture is
> > >>not
> > >> >the name of the game here, and I
know
> that
> > there are lots of books from
> > >> >which italics have been removed by
folks
> who
> > didn't know they mattered.
> > >> >
> > >> >Okay, I'm going to paste/type below
the
> > information on how to properly
> > >> >handle the ellipsis.
> > >> >
> > >> >Mayrie
> > >> >
> > >> >The ellipsis should be punctuated as
if
> it
> > were a word. Examples:
> > >> >"Fools rush in ..."
> > >> >
> > >> >"... for they shall inherit the
earth"
> > >> > "Breathe, Mellissa. In ... and out.
In
> ...
> > >> >and out."
> > >> >An ellipsis and a period. Sometimes
an
> > ellipsis appears to be four
> > >>dots
> > >> >rather than three. This is because
the
> > ellipsis is either preceded or
> > >> >followed by a period. Since the
braille
> period
> > is not the same as the
> > >>dots
> > >> >of an ellipsis, it must be
determined
> which of
> > the four dots is the
> > >> >period.
> > >> >
> > >> >If the sentence is incomplete, does
not
> > contain a subject and a verb
> > >>and
> > >> >express a complete thought, then
the
> ellipsis
> > is taking the place of
> > >> >missing
> > >> >words within the sentence--in which
the
> period
> > immediately follows the
> > >> >ellipsis, just as it would a word.
If a
> > sentence is gramatically
> > >>complete,
> > >> >the first dot represents the period
and
> the
> > ellipsis represents a
> > >> >following
> > >> >missing sentence or sentences. In
this
> case a
> > blank cell (a space) is
> > >>left
> > >> >between the period and the
following
> > ellipsis.
> > >> >Example:
> > >> >As you can see, I have followed
your
> career.
> > ... As to my own ....
> > >>Well,
> > >> >you
> > >> >know the story.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Charisma
> > >> >Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 11:24
AM
> > >> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] bolds,
> italics,
> > ellipses
> > >> >
> > >> >In the book I just scanned, from
which I
> > erroneously erased all italics
> > >> >and
> > >> >bolds, the bolds were found in the
> glossary,
> > for each new word.
> > >> >
> > >> >Ought I to have left those bolds? I
> thought
> > anything that was in bold
> > >> >indicated to the converter that that
was
> a
> > heading? Of course, in this
> > >> >case,
> > >> >perhaps each new word in the
glossary
> ought to
> > be it's own heading? I
> > >> >already had the beginning of the
Glossary
> at
> > font point 16.
> > >> >I wonder now if I ought to have made
each
> word
> > in the glossary font
> > >>point
> > >> >14, each word a subheading.
> > >> >
> > >> >OK, and since I erased every last
italic
> in
> > this 255+ page book, ought
> > >>I
> > >> >to
> > >> >go back and replace them all? I
will
> because I
> > want the book to be
> > >>perfect
> > >> >but do I NEED to? (can you guess how
I
> am
> > hoping? lol)
> > >> >
> > >> >Finally, ellipses. I have a
question
> > about your experiences. All
> > >>ellipses
> > >> >in these examples are three dots,
not
> spaces
> > between them. On my Victor
> > >> >Reader Stream, Set-up #1 If there is
a
> > word, then an ellipsis right up
> > >> >against it, then a space, then the
next
> word,
> > it reads fine; I never
> > >>know
> > >> >there is an ellipsis there.
> > >> >Set-up #2 If there is a word, then
a
> space,
> > then the ellipsis, then a
> > >> >space,
> > >> >then the next word, I hear" dot dot
> dot".
> > >> >Set-up #3 If there is a word and
either
> a
> > space or no space, then an
> > >> >ellipsis then no space then the
next
> word, if
> > that next word has an
> > >> >apostrophe it will not read
properly.
> That is,
> > if the ellipsis pushes
> > >>up
> > >> >against the word God's (like this
> ",,,God's"),
> > my reader will read
> > >>that as
> > >> >"dot dot dot God s"
> > >> >
> > >> >I cannot remember which book it was
that
> was
> > doing this so I can't
> > >> >doublecheck it in Victor Reader Soft
but
> I am
> > pretty sure these
> > >>problems
> > >> >are
> > >> >the same in there.
> > >> >
> > >> >My TextAloud does not care as far as
#3
> > goes--it does not neglect
> > >> >apostrophes.
> > >> >
> > >> >Also, hate hate hate four dot
ellipses.
> Period
> > OR ellipsis, author
> > >>people,
> > >> >not period AND ellipsis. I made an
> executive
> > decision and made half 4
> > >>dot
> > >> >and half 3 dot int eh 255+ page book
I
> just
> > did. Which shall I fix?
> > >> >
> > >> >Charisma
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