I might have read the message wrong, but my understanding was that she was
asking if the page breaks are likely to be correct if the headers appear at
the tops of pages. I understood tops of pages to refer to the electronic
page breaks in which case they would be likely to be correct. Of course
just having headers in the file because they existed at the top of print
pages means nothing. They are only useful if they immediately follow each
page break in the file. I hope which ever was ment the answer was clear to
the person who asked. :-)
Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
Actually, all you can imply from the page numbers, chapter headers, etc.
being present is that the stripper hasn't yet done its work.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators
atYes, as sure as anyone can ever be.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:53 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators
> > If the author and title headings, aas well as the chapter headings are> the tops of pages, and the page numbers are there as well, can oneassume> MSother
> Word is not messing things up? That is, as long as nothing seems to > be
> missing from the text?
>
> Sue S.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jana Jackson" <jana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:28 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators
>
>
>> Another thing that helps validators is the comments left by the
>> submitter.
>> It's very helpful if a submitter leaves comments explaining the work
>> that
>> has already been done, i.e. chapter headings protected, junk >> characters
>> removed, etc.
>>
>> Jana
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:15 AM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators
>>
>>
>> > Then we need to get the submitter and validator to speak to eachwhat> so >> > some books at least can be tracked. The two of them can find out>> > software and conditions existed at all stages of the document's >> > life.was
> We
>> > can learn how to get this to work if we analyze specific cases.
>> >
>> > E.
>> >
>> >
>> > At 08:12 AM 10/6/2005, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>Tracy
>> >>
>> >>I am sure that you have improved the quality of many books -- thatsome> not >> >>my point. >> >>Rather, and I speak from observation, I am suggesting that it is > possible >> >>that a validator can hurt and not assist the quality of a book in>> >>instances.result
>> >>There is more to a book than every word perfect. There are things
>> >>such
> as
>> >>pagination being messed up by a word processor perhaps not >> >>formatted
>> >>to
>> >>handle the way the book is,
>> >>an overzealous individual stripping page numbers or protection
>> >>thereof,
>> >>and all the rest.
>> >>Yes, the BookShare stripper is overzealous also, as is any >> >>automated
> tool;
>> >>but the truth is that we, as validators, too can cause problems
>> >>(unintentionally, of course)
>> >>as can other individuals in the whole process.
>> >>I am a validator too so, in my comments, I am criticizing myself as
>> >>much
>> >>as anyone.
>> >>And as this is a continual learning process, I am merely suggesting
>> >>that
>> >>we can learn from what happens to books and should occasionally >> >>study
> our
>> >>work, as it appears in the collection, to see if it comes
>> >>out in the form we expected.
>> >>Usually, all is fine; but there are the occasions when the end >> >>result
>> >>is
>> >>more than disappointing.
>> >>
>> >>My second point, Tracy, is that a lot of books need little or no >> >>work
>> >>as
>> >>the submitter has gone through great pains in preparation.
>> >>Respect that, I say, and treat those as straightforward validations
> noting
>> >>any comments left as what may need to be done.
>> >>Many submitters too take great pride in their work and feel let >> >>down
> when
>> >>that
>> >>book they spent extra hours to get it just right has it run through >> >>a
> word
>> >>processing program that reformats every page so that the original
> benefits
>> >>are negated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>why, when I scan, should I spend many extra hours getting things
>> >>"right"
>> >>(as I see it) if, in the end, it is for naught!
>> >>And I have had other submitters privately lament what has happened >> >>to
>> >>their work -- and it goes beyond the stripper -- as an apparent> oflist
>> >>something going amiss (possibly even unknown to the validator)
>> >>as part of the process.
>> >>
>> >>If my work as a careful submitter means nothing, perhaps I should
>> >>begin
>> >>submitting raw scans of books done in an hour rather than spending
>> >>days
>> >>getting it ready!
>> >>
>> >>I am criticizing no one in particular! My msg is mainly directed >> >>at
>> >>new
>> >>validators to be careful in what they are doing as they can >> >>possibly
>> >>do
>> >>harm as well as much good -- and likely they will do more of the
>> >>latter
>> >>and none of the former.
>> >>Also, if you feel offended as a validator, how do you believe
>> >>submitters
>> >>who get sniped at on this list, if they learn of it directly or
>> >>indirectly, react.
>> >>They probably feel unappreciated too.
>> >>
>> >>My comments are meant as general constructive ones much as and in >> >>the
> same
>> >>spirit as Elizabeth has recently offered hers.
>> >>She has given me plenty of food for thought, and that is what we >> >>all
> need
>> >>as we try to improve both the art of submitting or validating.
>> >>
>> >>And if I haven't publicly already said this, Thanks, Elizabeth, for
>> >>addressing the issues have. Most of the time I agree with you,
> sometimes
>> >>I don't; but I always appreciate your directness and candor and
>> >>honesty
>> >>and know you don't offer them with negativity but in the hopeful
>> >>spirit
>> >>that we can learn and improve.
>> >>And what I offer is in the same vein.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
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