Actually, all you can imply from the page numbers, chapter headers, etc. being present is that the stripper hasn't yet done its work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators > Yes, as sure as anyone can ever be. > > Sarah Van Oosterwijck > Assistive Technology Trainer > http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:53 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators > > > > > > If the author and title headings, aas well as the chapter headings are at > > the tops of pages, and the page numbers are there as well, can one assume > > MS > > Word is not messing things up? That is, as long as nothing seems to be > > missing from the text? > > > > Sue S. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jana Jackson" <jana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:28 PM > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators > > > > > >> Another thing that helps validators is the comments left by the > >> submitter. > >> It's very helpful if a submitter leaves comments explaining the work > >> that > >> has already been done, i.e. chapter headings protected, junk characters > >> removed, etc. > >> > >> Jana > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:15 AM > >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Validators > >> > >> > >> > Then we need to get the submitter and validator to speak to each other > > so > >> > some books at least can be tracked. The two of them can find out what > >> > software and conditions existed at all stages of the document's life. > > We > >> > can learn how to get this to work if we analyze specific cases. > >> > > >> > E. > >> > > >> > > >> > At 08:12 AM 10/6/2005, you wrote: > >> > > >> >>Tracy > >> >> > >> >>I am sure that you have improved the quality of many books -- that was > > not > >> >>my point. > >> >>Rather, and I speak from observation, I am suggesting that it is > > possible > >> >>that a validator can hurt and not assist the quality of a book in some > >> >>instances. > >> >>There is more to a book than every word perfect. There are things > >> >>such > > as > >> >>pagination being messed up by a word processor perhaps not formatted > >> >>to > >> >>handle the way the book is, > >> >>an overzealous individual stripping page numbers or protection > >> >>thereof, > >> >>and all the rest. > >> >>Yes, the BookShare stripper is overzealous also, as is any automated > > tool; > >> >>but the truth is that we, as validators, too can cause problems > >> >>(unintentionally, of course) > >> >>as can other individuals in the whole process. > >> >>I am a validator too so, in my comments, I am criticizing myself as > >> >>much > >> >>as anyone. > >> >>And as this is a continual learning process, I am merely suggesting > >> >>that > >> >>we can learn from what happens to books and should occasionally study > > our > >> >>work, as it appears in the collection, to see if it comes > >> >>out in the form we expected. > >> >>Usually, all is fine; but there are the occasions when the end result > >> >>is > >> >>more than disappointing. > >> >> > >> >>My second point, Tracy, is that a lot of books need little or no work > >> >>as > >> >>the submitter has gone through great pains in preparation. > >> >>Respect that, I say, and treat those as straightforward validations > > noting > >> >>any comments left as what may need to be done. > >> >>Many submitters too take great pride in their work and feel let down > > when > >> >>that > >> >>book they spent extra hours to get it just right has it run through a > > word > >> >>processing program that reformats every page so that the original > > benefits > >> >>are negated. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>why, when I scan, should I spend many extra hours getting things > >> >>"right" > >> >>(as I see it) if, in the end, it is for naught! > >> >>And I have had other submitters privately lament what has happened to > >> >>their work -- and it goes beyond the stripper -- as an apparent result > > of > >> >>something going amiss (possibly even unknown to the validator) > >> >>as part of the process. > >> >> > >> >>If my work as a careful submitter means nothing, perhaps I should > >> >>begin > >> >>submitting raw scans of books done in an hour rather than spending > >> >>days > >> >>getting it ready! > >> >> > >> >>I am criticizing no one in particular! My msg is mainly directed at > >> >>new > >> >>validators to be careful in what they are doing as they can possibly > >> >>do > >> >>harm as well as much good -- and likely they will do more of the > >> >>latter > >> >>and none of the former. > >> >>Also, if you feel offended as a validator, how do you believe > >> >>submitters > >> >>who get sniped at on this list, if they learn of it directly or > >> >>indirectly, react. > >> >>They probably feel unappreciated too. > >> >> > >> >>My comments are meant as general constructive ones much as and in the > > same > >> >>spirit as Elizabeth has recently offered hers. > >> >>She has given me plenty of food for thought, and that is what we all > > need > >> >>as we try to improve both the art of submitting or validating. > >> >> > >> >>And if I haven't publicly already said this, Thanks, Elizabeth, for > >> >>addressing the issues have. Most of the time I agree with you, > > sometimes > >> >>I don't; but I always appreciate your directness and candor and > >> >>honesty > >> >>and know you don't offer them with negativity but in the hopeful > >> >>spirit > >> >>that we can learn and improve. > >> >>And what I offer is in the same vein. > >> >> > >> >> Mike > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > >> >>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a > >> >>list > >> >>of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject > > line. > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > >> > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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