[bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
- From: "Gary Petraccaro" <garyp130@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:30:41 -0400
I am beginning to think that we should follow ebook practices except where
impossible.
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From: Mike
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Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:17 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
I like that concept, treat an ellipsis as a word. I think I would know
exactly what to do in every case following that rule. However, I also know
that print books are nowhere near that consistent.
Misha
On 7/22/2010 4:28 PM, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
Hi Gary,
The braille transcription manual essentially says to treat the elipsis as
if it were a word. This means that if there is an opening quote before the
elipsis, no space should come before the elipsis. And if there is a period and
closing quote following the elipsis, that no space should come between. But
between words, the elipsis should be surrounded by spaces. Also, if the elipsis
is followed by a closing quote, there should be no space between the elipsis
and the closing quotation mark. Finally, and this is different from what I
learned years ago, if a period and an elipsis are together, rules of grammar
need to be used to determine the placement of the elipsis. If the sentence is
a fragment, not containing both a subject and a verb, (isn't a complete
sentence), but there is a period, the elipsis should come before the period
with no space between. If the elipsis follows a complete sentence, the period
should follow the sentence as usual, and the elipsis following should be
preceded and followed by a space.
All that said, and I do realize that it is a bit complex, as long as there
are NO spaces within the elipsis, it will be rendered accurately by Bookshare's
braille translation tools. And, as far as I know, it needs to be typed on the
keyboard as three periods, not as the elipsis symbol, because said symbol is
not translated correctly.
Okay, I hope that was clear. If not, please ask. And, may I suggest that
if anyone thinks they might need this information in future for refreshing the
memory as many of us (myself included), please keep this note to refer to so I
don't have to express myself sensibly and clearly again. I might not do so well
a second time.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:46 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
Are you saying that the 3 periods should be together, preceded and followed
by a space, except where the last period is followed by a quote?
Thanks.
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From: Mayrie ReNae
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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
Hi Lori,
I can comment only educatedly on one of your points. The elipsis should
be preceded and/or followed by a space unless a punctuation mark precedes or
follows the elipsis immediately. That said, as long as spaces do not occur
within the elipsis, the braille translation software will render the elipsis
accurately. The spaces before and after the elipsis are only rules that need to
be followed if the braille code is intended to be taken into consideration.
Hope that clarifies at least that point.
Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lori Castner
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:53 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Limited Comments on Bookshare Manual
Hi, Scott and Everyone,
I am going to make just a few comments on the content of the volunteer
manual.
In 4 I the discussion of ellipses, I am puzzled by the instructions. The
issue has come up over and over on this list and I thought the last consensus
was that when an ellipses occurs midsentence, the ellipses should be preceeded
and followed by a space. I will follow the instructions in the manual and hope
the translation software will handle them correctly. The instructions say to
not include a space before a mid-sentence ellipses, but to put a space only
after the ellipses and before the following word.
In 4 K regarding bullets, the manual says that it is not necessary to
change a tab following a bullet into a space. Does the translation software
now change tabs into spaces?
In the sections on ellipses and bullets the text gives exampoles. In
these examples each line is preceeded by a number of spaces. Personally, I
wish those spaces were not present. Whhen I read those lines by moving through
character by character to see what is happening the spaces are just a nuisance.
I never could access the Section When and How to Reject a Book
In the section on How to renew a Book the instructions refer to clicking
the Volunteer Home link on the left side of the taskbar--that is a visual
orientation.
Under D5, volunteers are instructed to notify Bookshare if they want a
hold removed from a book. I thought that a book would not languish-as the
manual states-but would be removed if the book sat on the checkout page for two
weeks.
I wish I could make more comments, but I do not have the fortitude to
continue struggling with the navigation of this manual; for me, it is too
painful.
I would rather spend my time proofreading.
Lori C.
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