Frankly, I'm not sure that I am convinced that adding the word chapter
does anything to the copyrighted material. It is the text of the book
that is copyrighted, not formatting issues. I mean, removing the page
headers doesn't remove anything that is copyrighted. Joining broken
words at the ends and beginning of pages doesn't change any thing that
is copyrighted. For that matter, even titles are not copyrighted. I know
that because of something I read by Isaac Asimov once. He had published
one book through one publisher and he was about to publish another book
on the same general topic through another publisher. He wanted to use
the original title and add the words volume two to it. He said that
titles were not copyrighted, so he could have done it anyway, but to be
polite he asked the original publisher for permission to use the
original title. They denied him the permission and so he had to come up
with another title even though he could have still done it. He didn't
want to antagonize one of his publishers. But if the word chapter
actually might change copyrighted material then why couldn't we just put
that word in brackets? We do that when we want to indicate a blank page.
We do that when we describe an image. I don't understand why the word
chapter should be so different.
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Carl Sagan “It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance
between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all
hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great
openness to new ideas. Obviously those two modes of thought are in some
tension. But if you are able to exercise only one of these modes,
whichever one it is, you’re in deep trouble. If you are only skeptical,
then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn anything new.
You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is ruling the
world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) But every now
and then, maybe once in a hundred cases, a new idea turns out to be on
the mark, valid and wonderful. If you are too much in the habit of being
skeptical about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and
either way you will be standing in the way of understanding and
progress. On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility
and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot
distinguish the useful as from the worthless ones.” ― Carl Sagan
On 4/13/2021 2:08 AM, Lissi wrote:
Dear Roger and Booksharian Friends,
I feel so regretful about not being allowed to indicate chapters and parts by their names as it handicaps braille readers. I have no idea how to get a book on my packmate other than downloading it as a BRF file. If it can be done, I would appreciate the instructions be published on this list where I’ll be able to find them.
Meanwhile, I’ll reluctantly and gloomily comply having no choice. I still believe publishers could readily understand the need for braille readers to have clearly identified chapters , parts and sections to facilitate navigating in an uncomplicated way.
Having a choice between complying and being excluded from volunteering I will comply.
Those approving books need not go to extra lengths to police my proofreading as once I’ve publicly agreed to dofollow the current demands, I can be trusted to do so.
Always with love, especially when I’m saddened,
Lissi
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This leaves something unclear to me. As I understand it you are saying that when there is a chapter title, but no chapter number or other indication that there is a new chapter we are not to add the words chapter with a number. But how about where there is a chapter number with or without a chapter title. It has been my practice to add the word chapter just before the number for a long time now based on instructions we got a long time ago. Then the book I am working on right now is a bit unusual, but seems to relate to this question too. In this book every so often there is a page with the words book 1, book 2, book 3 and so forth. There is a blank page before and after each of those pages. Then the text resumes, but there is a chapter title or at least a title and just before the title there is a 1 with nothing to indicate what the 1 means. Then later before coming to the next page that says book whatever number we are up to there is another chapter title with the digit 2 above it. I have been inserting the word chapter before that number too. What makes it unusual is that there are only two chapters in each section labeled book. It is as if the actual chapters are labeled book in this book and the 1 and 2 with their chapter titles are chapter sections. So should those numbers 1 and 2 be labeled with the word chapter just before the number or not? And, of course, when a book has a straight forward way of starting new chapters except that each chapter begins with an unadorned number should we be inserting the word chapter before that number?
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Sagan “It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas. Obviously those two modes of thought are in some tension. But if you are able to exercise only one of these modes, whichever one it is, you’re in deep trouble. If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn anything new. You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) But every now and then, maybe once in a hundred cases, a new idea turns out to be on the mark, valid and wonderful. If you are too much in the habit of being skeptical about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and either way you will be standing in the way of understanding and progress. On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful as from the worthless ones.” ― Carl Sagan
On 4/12/2021 8:30 PM, Amanda Landavazo wrote:
Good evening,
As some may remember, a volunteer raised a question last fall
about inserting the word [Chapter] and a number where a book has
only a title. For example, adding [Chapter 1] before the chapter
title “Away in a Manger”, to aid with navigation.
I want to thank that volunteer for raising the question at all.
This led to some really interesting conversations and learning for
us as a team. We did come to the conclusion that the word
“chapter” or other similar signifiers should not be added to books
where this is missing, even if there is no table of contents.
Concerns were raised about copyright issues and that as always, we
are trying to keep the books as close to the original published
file as we possibly can.
However, they had also raised the issue of accessibility. I met
with a few people on staff who either use refreshable braille
displays or taught VI students to talk this through. They shared
that if you use the DAISY file instead of BRF in the device, that
you can then access all of the navigation options embedded in the
file. It was also their opinion that unless they are embossing
braille, there is no reason that a user should need to use the BRF
instead of DAISY file and that the download process should be the
same. Based on that information, we feel that there is a fully
accessible option available without the addition of “chapter.”
It sounds like this is an opportunity for us to add this
information to the Help Center and/or training materials to ensure
that all users are downloading the file type that would be the
best user experience for them. We do currently have some
information on the BrailleNote Help Center article here:
https://www.bookshare.org/cms/help-center/how-do-i-get-books-my-braille-note
<https://www.bookshare.org/cms/help-center/how-do-i-get-books-my-braille-note>,
but to my knowledge, need more information about the benefits of
using the different file types.
Please let me know if there are lingering concerns about this and
my apologies for the drawn out nature of this request. I’m sure
they did not expect it to set off a full internal investigation
<smile>
Best,
Amanda
Amanda (Brown) Landavazo
Community Champion
Benetech
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