Hi Roger,
There are two exceptions to the rule that we don’t add the word chapter to a
chapter title if it doesn’t appear in the book. Both of them are to prevent the
Bookshare conversion software from stripping the chapter name.
The first is if the chapter titles are repeated text, such as a character’s
name. When they are repeated, the converter will strip the titles from the
document, interpreting them as running headers.
The second is if the chapter name is ONLY a number. That is, digits, not text.
In the case where it is just a number, the word chapter prevents this number
from being stripped.
In all other cases, we’re not supposed to add the word chapter or the word
chapter and a number.
This is all in the current proofing manual.
Deborah
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I think I understand now. When there is only a chapter title with no number we
are to add neither the word chapter nor a number. When there is an unadorned
chapter number then chapter title or not we are to add the word chapter before
the number. Is that correct? If it is then I don't think I will have to do
anything different because I don't recall working on any book with chapter
titles and nothing else to indicate a new chapter anyway.
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Carl Sagan “It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between
two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are
served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas. Obviously
those two modes of thought are in some tension. But if you are able to exercise
only one of these modes, whichever one it is, you’re in deep trouble. If you
are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn
anything new. You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is
ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) But every
now and then, maybe once in a hundred cases, a new idea turns out to be on the
mark, valid and wonderful. If you are too much in the habit of being skeptical
about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and either way you will
be standing in the way of understanding and progress. On the other hand, if you
are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense
in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful as from the worthless ones.” ―
Carl Sagan
On 4/13/2021 1:40 PM, Amanda Landavazo wrote:
Hi Roger,
Good question. If a chapter or section heading is simply a number, it will be
lost. Add the word Section or Chapter before the number to prevent it from
being dropped in navigation. This is a scenario where adding the word “Chapter”
does change the navigation accessibility. If I understand your situation
correctly, it does fall under this rule and you would want to add “Chapter” to
retain all of the navigation functionality.
Best,
Amanda
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This leaves something unclear to me. As I understand it you are saying that
when there is a chapter title, but no chapter number or other indication
that there is a new chapter we are not to add the words chapter with a number.
But how about where there is a chapter number with or without a chapter title.
It has been my practice to add the word chapter just before the number for a
long time now based on instructions we got a long time ago. Then the book I am
working on right now is a bit unusual, but seems to relate to this question
too. In this book every so often there is a page with the words book 1, book 2,
book 3 and so forth. There is a blank page before and after each of those
pages. Then the text resumes, but there is a chapter title or at least a title
and just before the title there is a 1 with nothing to indicate what the 1
means. Then later before coming to the next page that says book whatever number
we are up to there is another chapter title with the digit 2 above it. I have
been inserting the word chapter before that number too. What makes it unusual
is that there are only two chapters in each section labeled book. It is as if
the actual chapters are labeled book in this book and the 1 and 2 with their
chapter titles are chapter sections. So should those numbers 1 and 2 be labeled
with the word chapter just before the number or not? And, of course, when a
book has a straight forward way of starting new chapters except that each
chapter begins with an unadorned number should we be inserting the word chapter
before that number?
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Sagan “It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two
conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are
served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas. Obviously
those two modes of thought are in some tension. But if you are able to exercise
only one of these modes, whichever one it is, you’re in deep trouble. If you
are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn
anything new. You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is
ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.) But every
now and then, maybe once in a hundred cases, a new idea turns out to be on the
mark, valid and wonderful. If you are too much in the habit of being skeptical
about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and either way you will
be standing in the way of understanding and progress. On the other hand, if you
are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense
in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful as from the worthless ones.” ―
Carl Sagan
On 4/12/2021 8:30 PM, Amanda Landavazo wrote:
Good evening,
As some may remember, a volunteer raised a question last fall about inserting
the word [Chapter] and a number where a book has only a title. For example,
adding [Chapter 1] before the chapter title “Away in a Manger”, to aid with
navigation.
I want to thank that volunteer for raising the question at all. This led to
some really interesting conversations and learning for us as a team. We did
come to the conclusion that the word “chapter” or other similar signifiers
should not be added to books where this is missing, even if there is no table
of contents. Concerns were raised about copyright issues and that as always, we
are trying to keep the books as close to the original published file as we
possibly can.
However, they had also raised the issue of accessibility. I met with a few
people on staff who either use refreshable braille displays or taught VI
students to talk this through. They shared that if you use the DAISY file
instead of BRF in the device, that you can then access all of the navigation
options embedded in the file. It was also their opinion that unless they are
embossing braille, there is no reason that a user should need to use the BRF
instead of DAISY file and that the download process should be the same. Based
on that information, we feel that there is a fully accessible option available
without the addition of “chapter.”
It sounds like this is an opportunity for us to add this information to the
Help Center and/or training materials to ensure that all users are downloading
the file type that would be the best user experience for them. We do currently
have some information on the BrailleNote Help Center article here:
https://www.bookshare.org/cms/help-center/how-do-i-get-books-my-braille-note, ;
but to my knowledge, need more information about the benefits of using the
different file types.
Please let me know if there are lingering concerns about this and my apologies
for the drawn out nature of this request. I’m sure they did not expect it to
set off a full internal investigation <smile>
Best,
Amanda
Amanda (Brown) Landavazo
Community Champion
Benetech
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