o.k. so now I am confused; we no longer need to,put thrb word
chapter before the chapter number?
I just read Roger's note below adnd and see hehas my same question; sm ile
On 4/12/21, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This leaves something unclear to me. As I understand it you are saying
that when there is a chapter title, but no chapter number or other
indication that there is a new chapter we are not to add the words
chapter with a number. But how about where there is a chapter number
with or without a chapter title. It has been my practice to add the word
chapter just before the number for a long time now based on instructions
we got a long time ago. Then the book I am working on right now is a bit
unusual, but seems to relate to this question too. In this book every so
often there is a page with the words book 1, book 2, book 3 and so
forth. There is a blank page before and after each of those pages. Then
the text resumes, but there is a chapter title or at least a title and
just before the title there is a 1 with nothing to indicate what the 1
means. Then later before coming to the next page that says book whatever
number we are up to there is another chapter title with the digit 2
above it. I have been inserting the word chapter before that number too.
What makes it unusual is that there are only two chapters in each
section labeled book. It is as if the actual chapters are labeled book
in this book and the 1 and 2 with their chapter titles are chapter
sections. So should those numbers 1 and 2 be labeled with the word
chapter just before the number or not? And, of course, when a book has a
straight forward way of starting new chapters except that each chapter
begins with an unadorned number should we be inserting the word chapter
before that number?
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On 4/12/2021 8:30 PM, Amanda Landavazo wrote:
Good evening,
As some may remember, a volunteer raised a question last fall about
inserting the word [Chapter] and a number where a book has only a
title. For example, adding [Chapter 1] before the chapter title “Away
in a Manger”, to aid with navigation.
I want to thank that volunteer for raising the question at all. This
led to some really interesting conversations and learning for us as a
team. We did come to the conclusion that the word “chapter” or other
similar signifiers should not be added to books where this is missing,
even if there is no table of contents. Concerns were raised about
copyright issues and that as always, we are trying to keep the books
as close to the original published file as we possibly can.
However, they had also raised the issue of accessibility. I met with a
few people on staff who either use refreshable braille displays or
taught VI students to talk this through. They shared that if you use
the DAISY file instead of BRF in the device, that you can then access
all of the navigation options embedded in the file. It was also their
opinion that unless they are embossing braille, there is no reason
that a user should need to use the BRF instead of DAISY file and that
the download process should be the same. Based on that information, we
feel that there is a fully accessible option available without the
addition of “chapter.”
It sounds like this is an opportunity for us to add this information
to the Help Center and/or training materials to ensure that all users
are downloading the file type that would be the best user experience
for them. We do currently have some information on the BrailleNote
Help Center article here:
https://www.bookshare.org/cms/help-center/how-do-i-get-books-my-braille-note
<https://www.bookshare.org/cms/help-center/how-do-i-get-books-my-braille-note>,
but to my knowledge, need more information about the benefits of using
the different file types.
Please let me know if there are lingering concerns about this and my
apologies for the drawn out nature of this request. I’m sure they did
not expect it to set off a full internal investigation <smile>
Best,
Amanda
Amanda (Brown) Landavazo
Community Champion
Benetech
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