My opinion is based on the greatest values of a good observing site as being dark, and easy to access. That being said, another problem with viewing in Whipple area is the proximity to Nogales, AZ, and Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. Though not too bad, the light domes prevent this from being considered a really good dark site. Also the observing area near the Whipple Visitors Center is nestled in amongst some pretty high mountains. The views to the north and north west are o.k., but not what I would consider to be truly dark because of Green Valley's impact. Las Cienegas has very good southern, eastern, and western sky views. Even though Tucson is 50 miles north, the light dome is significant. A further drive east to the Chiricahua Mountains offers some of the darkest sky observing in the state. The Echo Canyon parking lot is easy to access and will accommodate 15 - 20 vehicles / scopes. There is a large hill to the west of the parking lot which limits some of that part of the sky. Seeing can be iffy at times, but the skies are really dark. I think the elevation is around 7,000 feet so dress accordingly. If you have anyone in your group who are members of TAAA then you can try the TIMPA site west of Tucson. Views to the north, west, and south are o.k., but the site is fairly close to Tucson and one is constantly reminded of that fact. Andrew Cooper's list of S. Az observing sites is quite good and should be consulted: http://www.siowl.com/ Sam http://www.balinka.com/astronomy.htm -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.