Hi Stan, While I could not follow everything today at the meeting, I appreciate your help. Regarding my take on the light pollution. Today's discussion was around signs. While I feel they contribute to the light pollution, they are orders of magnitude below the gigawatt ballpark light that seem to be in every block. Many time driving by those at night I see noone or maybe a couple of kids. Who pays for that power? I have lived in my location on the West side of Phoenix since 1977 and done photometry since the early 1980's. I have watched the night sky reading go up each year. When I first moved could see 5th magnitude stars on a dark night in my backyard. Now under the best conditions I strain to see 3rd magnitude stars. While I can do photometry and spectroscopy, I am very limited and can only do bright star photometry. Spectroscopy is a little better, but not much. The light pollution in the Phoenix area is horrible. Our night skies are a natural resource that is fading away. What is really need is more efficient lighting, where what wants to be illuminated is and what is not wanted is not. Today's meeting was all about money. The cost of implementing rules. What I think the sign people missed is they can make money and business can save money and the skies can be dark. It will take some clever thinking and innovation, but I think it can be done. My 2.5 cents. Jeff Hopkins Phoenix Observatory Counting Photons Phoenix, Arizona USA www.hposoft.com/Astro/astro.html International Epsilon Aurigae Campaign http://www.hposoft.com/Campaign09.html On Apr 19, 2011, at 10:12 PM, stanlep@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > I attended the MAG meeting today and was very disappointed at the > turnout > by members of local astronomy groups. I counted myself, Jeff Hopkins, > Jennifer, and Steve. Just three individuals that I know from the local > clubs. If anyone should have been absent it should have been me > since I > primarily reside in Dewey, about 90 miles north of Phoenix. There were > representatives of Kitt Peak, IDA, I believe Lowell, and a good > number of > astronomy related individuals. I think it was Chris Lugenbuhl who > was on > the phone. .... -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.