I called the Verde Range District office and spoke to Wesley Jirard. He informed me that the signs are for an area much further down the road than our site. I also asked him if a permit needed to be submitted for our use of the site, he said "no it is free to all to use" and he added that he is in a local astronomy club and would like to join us the next time we will be up there observing. So if anyone will be heading up please call Wesley at: (928) 567-1170 and invite him to join us. I also asked him to inform us of the dark sites that his club uses (I have already forgot the name, work stuff). It sure does pay to get to the right people. Clear Skies. Andrew Goodwin. -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.