[AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
- From: "Richard Harshaw" <rharshaw2@xxxxxxx>
- To: <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 14:35:19 -0700
AJ, after the Cold War, the former Soviet Navy had a huge surplus of rusting
hulks. The Russian government could not maintain such a vast fleet, so they
focused on a workable fleet, salvaged what they could and sold the rest to
whoever would pay (including some diesel submarines to the North
Koreans!!!). A lot of this stuff was from mothballed WWII vessels. No
doubt some of the newer optical systems have come from "modern" Russian
vessels (1960 onward), but a lot was also lying around the dockyards from
the Great War. The Russian naval programs from 1960 on concentrated more on
submarines. Their surface fleet was never much of a threat because it was
small and terribly unreliable, although it did boast a number of innovative
ideas, speed, and rapid firepower. (They had to send a fleet of seagoing
tugs out with every fleet maneuver to tow the breakdowns back to port!)
Finally, remember that like the US Navy, the Soviet Navy no doubt kept
millions of parts in storage in warehouses all around the USSR, and this
would include replacement binoculars, rangefinders, etc. Some of the
"battleship binos" did not actually serve on vessels, but were in reserve as
replacement parts if needed.
Richard Harshaw
Cave Creek, AZ
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[mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of AJ Crayon
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:26 PM
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Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
Jack, in response to your responses. For 1) I'll do everything to help Dick
Harshaw protect you. For 2) I would have expected that kind of stuff to
come from the Cold War instead of WWII.
AJ Crayon
Phoenix, AZ
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From: "Jack Jones" <Telescoper@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
1. Absolutely correct! I was tired (cut slack here). The scope is a 28" Not
only that, but ENHANCED 28", and Dennis never lets anyone forget it. Hope he
doesn't find out I said 24", he'll kill me.
2. Thanks for the military input. I just like to call those types of binos
"battleship binos", if only for the alliterative effect. :-)
Jack Jones
Phoenix AZ
Telescoper@xxxxxxx
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From: "Richard Harshaw" <rharshaw2@xxxxxxx>
To: <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
The "Battleship binos" were probably actually from a Russian cruiser or
destroyer, not a battleship. Our club in Kansas City had a similar pair and
they were Russian navy surplus from World War II. Good optics, but heavy as
a Russian tank!
Richard Harshaw
Cave Creek, AZ
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[mailto:az-observing-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of AJ Crayon
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:01 AM
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Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
Steve D., I was there Sunday night when Dennis showed up and setup his
scope, a bino chair and battleship binos (I believe that's what he said they
were). During all the banter I don't recall him giving the size of his
scope but it was big, had a single stalk and didn't track. I only looked at
M4 while it was very low on the horizon and through a thin layer of clouds.
Don't need DSC's to find this or M6 or M7 the only other objects he said was
in his scope.
Once the clouds got really bad Dick Harshaw and I retired. Soon after that
it appears Dennis packed up and left.
AJ Crayon
Phoenix, AZ
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From: "Steve D." <fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report
Hmmm,
Unless something's changed, Dennis has a 28" Dob. Single stalk? Low
prifile? STILL no DSC's?
Steve DodderPresident, Saguaro Astronomy ClubDirector,
Stone Haven Observatory
fester00@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.stargazing.net/Astroman
> From: Telescoper@xxxxxxx> To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AZ-Observing] Re: 5 Mile Meadow report> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008
> 15:09:40 -0700
> > I second that, although the 'creeping clouds' each evening were
> > infuriating. I > was there Fri to Mon and sufficient clearing occurred
> > by 12 or 1AM each night > to observe for the rest of the night. Dennis
> > Young of Sirius Lookers showed up > Sunday night with his 24" Dob, and
> > battleship binoculars thru which we watched > several elk grazing at the
> > treeline across the way around sunset (all the > partiers had left
> > Sunday). I was glad there were no problems with either bugs > or wind.
> > Yes it was cold. So cold, when I first opened my Luginbuhl & Skiff >
> > Catalog, the spine cracked and a whole section fell
out of the book. I also > reflected and wondered that although the Rangers
wouldn't let us park out past > the meadow edge, many of us spread out
10'x12' and larger tarps on the ground > for the duration... so perhaps we
got away with something :-)> > Jack Jones> Phoenix AZ> Telescoper@xxxxxxx> >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Coe" <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxx>>
To:
<az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:47 AM> Subject:
[AZ-Observing] 5 Mile Meadow report> > > Howdy all;> > Well, we certainly
had a grand time high in the Arizona pines this => weekend.> I counted 28
scopes in twilight on Saturday evening. Both Friday and> Saturday nights had
some clouds that cleared away as the night => progressed,> but by the time
the Milky Way was high above the tree line it was very => nice> indeed. =20>
> Lots of folks were targeting galaxies early in the evening and then =>
moving> over to do Summer Milky Way targets later. I did the same and
enjoyed a> great v
iew of the Ink Spot dark nebula (B 86) at 1:30 AM on Saturday => night.> >
I hate to do this to you, but the best night was Thursday. David set up =>
the> 32 inch and we enjoyed a night of 9 out of 10 transparency. We made our
=> way> up the Milky Way from the Lagoon to the Veil Nebulae and all the
views => were> stunningly beautiful. Far too much detail to draw.> > A big
thank you to all who decided to drive up and get "cool". It was => 25>
degrees F on Friday night! =20> > We will do it again;> Steve Coe> > > -->
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