atw: Re: Technical Writers in Southern California?
- From: Robert Levy <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 22:08:43 -0500
Just to be clear, for those who don't know how it works:
You get all email from people in your address book and everyone else who you
allow. So it's not as though every single person who emails you has to face a
challenge.
The vast number of people emailing you don't, unless they're spamming you.
I had to document a system just like this a few years ago.
Thanks,
rwl
[http://savethesemicolon.com]
On 26/01/2011, at 9:55 PM, Robert Levy wrote:
> I don't think I agree, generally, though I certainly understand why you
> didn't click the link. The challenge should be clear that it's NOT spam or
> phishing of its own, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
>
> But really, you can't stop spam from using any of the methods you mention.
>
> If people don't respond to the challenge, then you won't get their email.
> They'll usually find another way to get to you, if it's important. You did.
>
> rwl
>
> On 26/01/2011, at 8:52 PM, Lana Brindley wrote:
>
>> Effective yeah, because people stop emailing you. The less email you
>> have, the less spam you have.
>>
>> While services like this are usually noble in design (they want to
>> stop spam, stop fraud, stop phishing, whatever), they use principles
>> that *encourage* all those things.
>>
>> Put it this way: the way to stop spam and phishing is to not open
>> emails from unknown addresses (the email that Spam Assassin sent me
>> came from an address that was different to the address I sent my
>> original mail to); not to click on links in emails (it asked me to
>> click on a link to verify myself. Not only that but it was a long
>> complicated link that contained arguments. I have no way of knowing
>> what that link is going to do); not to download images and other
>> attachments from unknown addresses (the email was graphic, and while
>> the text rendered well without the images, not everyone reads their
>> mail in plan text like me) ...
>>
>> I could go on.
>>
>> It's kind of the same thing as teaching our kids not to speak to
>> strangers, and to be wary of strange men in shopping centres, and then
>> encourage them to sit on Santa's knee, even when the child in question
>> is screaming blue murder in fear of the bearded man[0].
>>
>> Anyway, I've ranted enough. Yes, these services might work for
>> specific use cases, but they undermine online security generally.
>>
>> L
>>
>> [0] http://www.creepysantaphotos.com/
>>
>> On 27 January 2011 12:20, Robert Levy <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I don't know about spamarrest, but in my experience, challenge/response
>>> systems for email are pretty effective.
>>>
>>> rwl
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Lana Brindley <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey, it's your email, and you can do what you wish with it. I did some
>>>> googling though, and it seems as though SpamArrest is ... well ...
>>>> very spammy:
>>>> http://emailuniverse.com/ezine-tips/?id=477
>>>>
>>>> I'm very, very cautious of those kinds of services.
>>>>
>>>> L
>>>>
>>>> On 27 January 2011 11:24, Suzy <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry Lana - Understand. I think you are the first to have an
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have authorised you now and can see your email. I just can't
>>>>> stand spam, and if I miss a couple of emails because of SpamArrest
>>>>> - I'm willing to take the risk.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Suzy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed Jan 26 17:40:05 CST 2011, Lana Brindley
>>>>> <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Suzy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to respond to you directly, but received an email in
>>>>>> response,
>>>>>> which looks like a phishing attempt. Sorry, but I don't click on
>>>>>> random links in emails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some better way for me to contact you directly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Lana
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 January 2011 10:21, Suzy <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> This list goes far and wide I believe?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or can anyone point me to a better resource in the US (I thought
>>>>>>> I'd try the 'big' TW list - but that's seems like it has a few
>>>>>>> hurdles before I can post a job ad).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a client who needs a Technical Writer (without about 2-3
>>>>>>> years experience) to document IT Procedures - approx 4-6 weeks
>>>>>>> work. (You would be hired through my US client - I'm just
>>>>>>> helping).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rate - $50 US per hour;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Orange County area (San Diego or LA). Onsite only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send CVs to me: suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance; and apologies if this ad is a mis-use of the
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards Suzy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suzy Davis
>>>>>>> Microsoft Word Templates
>>>>>>> & Documentation Projects
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Create Space
>>>>>>> Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Website www.createspace.com.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Lana Brindley
>>>>>> writer:speaker:blogger
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> develop
>>>>>> an approach for the rest of the time... The wait is simply too
>>>>>> long.
>>>>>> - Leonard Bernstein
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>> Lana Brindley
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