atw: Re: Technical Writers in Southern California?
- From: Robert Levy <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:55:55 -0500
I don't think I agree, generally, though I certainly understand why you didn't
click the link. The challenge should be clear that it's NOT spam or phishing of
its own, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
But really, you can't stop spam from using any of the methods you mention.
If people don't respond to the challenge, then you won't get their email.
They'll usually find another way to get to you, if it's important. You did.
rwl
On 26/01/2011, at 8:52 PM, Lana Brindley wrote:
> Effective yeah, because people stop emailing you. The less email you
> have, the less spam you have.
>
> While services like this are usually noble in design (they want to
> stop spam, stop fraud, stop phishing, whatever), they use principles
> that *encourage* all those things.
>
> Put it this way: the way to stop spam and phishing is to not open
> emails from unknown addresses (the email that Spam Assassin sent me
> came from an address that was different to the address I sent my
> original mail to); not to click on links in emails (it asked me to
> click on a link to verify myself. Not only that but it was a long
> complicated link that contained arguments. I have no way of knowing
> what that link is going to do); not to download images and other
> attachments from unknown addresses (the email was graphic, and while
> the text rendered well without the images, not everyone reads their
> mail in plan text like me) ...
>
> I could go on.
>
> It's kind of the same thing as teaching our kids not to speak to
> strangers, and to be wary of strange men in shopping centres, and then
> encourage them to sit on Santa's knee, even when the child in question
> is screaming blue murder in fear of the bearded man[0].
>
> Anyway, I've ranted enough. Yes, these services might work for
> specific use cases, but they undermine online security generally.
>
> L
>
> [0] http://www.creepysantaphotos.com/
>
> On 27 January 2011 12:20, Robert Levy <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I don't know about spamarrest, but in my experience, challenge/response
>> systems for email are pretty effective.
>>
>> rwl
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Lana Brindley <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, it's your email, and you can do what you wish with it. I did some
>>> googling though, and it seems as though SpamArrest is ... well ...
>>> very spammy:
>>> http://emailuniverse.com/ezine-tips/?id=477
>>>
>>> I'm very, very cautious of those kinds of services.
>>>
>>> L
>>>
>>> On 27 January 2011 11:24, Suzy <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Sorry Lana - Understand. I think you are the first to have an
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> I have authorised you now and can see your email. I just can't
>>>> stand spam, and if I miss a couple of emails because of SpamArrest
>>>> - I'm willing to take the risk.
>>>>
>>>> cheers Suzy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed Jan 26 17:40:05 CST 2011, Lana Brindley
>>>> <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Suzy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to respond to you directly, but received an email in
>>>>> response,
>>>>> which looks like a phishing attempt. Sorry, but I don't click on
>>>>> random links in emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some better way for me to contact you directly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lana
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 January 2011 10:21, Suzy <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> This list goes far and wide I believe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or can anyone point me to a better resource in the US (I thought
>>>>>> I'd try the 'big' TW list - but that's seems like it has a few
>>>>>> hurdles before I can post a job ad).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a client who needs a Technical Writer (without about 2-3
>>>>>> years experience) to document IT Procedures - approx 4-6 weeks
>>>>>> work. (You would be hired through my US client - I'm just
>>>>>> helping).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rate - $50 US per hour;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Orange County area (San Diego or LA). Onsite only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send CVs to me: suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance; and apologies if this ad is a mis-use of the
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards Suzy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suzy Davis
>>>>>> Microsoft Word Templates
>>>>>> & Documentation Projects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Create Space
>>>>>> Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Website www.createspace.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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