Bede As usual, your email goes to the heart of the matter: what should we do about bad usage when we see it? In some cases, you can easily replace the offending word or phrase ? and stand by to justify your change in case the author queries it. But, as you say, the 'framework' example is more difficult, and could possibly only be dealt with by radical rewriting. Sometimes - and the example I quoted is probably one such time - when you try to rewrite it in simpler language you see that the author's convoluted language just masks the lack of anything worth saying or puffs up something inconsequential. In these cases, whether you can do anything, as an editor, depends on a number of things. It may depend on your relationship with the author and whether you're willing to accuse him or her openly of a 'snow job'. Or in some cases you can get away with quietly rewriting so it's clear that it really says nothing (or repeats something already said - that's another trick) and then just waiting to see what happens. I've raised this example and others as part of my own project - trying to pinpoint for myself why certain words and phrases raise my hackles and to see if I can discover any general lessons from the specific cases. (I nearly said 'identify' general lessons!) That way I can educate myself, at least, to recognise bad writing and perhaps improve my own writing. Luckily I don't just edit others' work, so improving my own may be a small contribution. Mentioning examples here is valuable, as I get others' reactions and often they've been useful. Sometimes - and again the present example could be an instance - I start to question whether my reaction is justifiable. I certainly agree with you about 'weak' words and I'd like to be able to describe more clearly how they occur and the effect they have. Howard ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************