[AR] Re: Thrust Chamber Manufacture

  • From: John Schilling <john.schilling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:30:27 -0700

I can confirm this.  I don't have the skill to do it myself, but I've watched better machinists than I do some very fine injector drilling and Roxanna's "peck drilling" technique with lots of coolant, works.  Better than CNC, from what I've seen, or at least fewer broken bits wind up sticking out of the injector holes.

If at all possible, design the injector blank so that the face will be perpendicular to the drill at the point of contact.  Look closely at stream quality when doing water flow testing.  Also, don't be afraid to discard an injector that looks iffy under water testing.  You lose a lot less work throwing away a bad injector at the start, than finding out you've made a bad engine.

        John Schilling


On 8/13/2020 12:36 PM, roxanna Mason wrote:

As a 50 year machinist, beginning the trade in high school, I've drilled a few holes/orifices in that time. The trick is to continually clear the flutes by 'peck' drilling.
No more than one hole diameter plunge at a time. And of course coolant. The drill will not wander with proper technique. If you have the luxury of an EDM that's great like a 3D laser sintering machine, more the better. But at the amature level, you don't need high tech, only patience and technique by practice.
BTW, the CC can be drilled too with axial/longitudinal passages from injector to nozzle convergent section.

K

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM Tyler Adkison <tyler.adkison@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:tyler.adkison@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    I've considered trying to drill a hyperboloid chamber, but trying
    to drill those types of holes is something that sounds easy but
    certainly isn't. Honestly, even just getting the drill bit aligned
    well enough that you drill to the exact point you desire is a
    challenge. I think you would need a rather nice EDM machine to
    drill this on a hobby scale. That said, it's certainly an
    interesting idea and it's not impossible to do.

    On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:47 AM Henry Spencer
    <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, ken mason wrote:
        > Jon, one other fabrication technique that is unique and
        worthy of
        > mentioning because it's viable even on a small scale and has
        flown 100's
        > of times to orbitthat being the RM-81 Agena rocket engine of
        16KLbF,or
        > 71KN. The nozzle shown in the pic is drilled from a solid
        billet at a
        > hypoid pattern... the cooling hole density is greatest at
        the throat
        > just where the heat flux is greatest. The Agena nozzle is
        made from
        > lightweight easy to machine/drill aluminum which
        conveniently has good
        > thermal conductivity.

        Not a hypoid (that's something else), but a hyperboloid. See
        attached.
        (Credit:
        
<https://divisbyzero.com/2010/03/20/making-a-hyperboloid-out-of-skewers-and-rubber-bands/
        
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://divisbyzero.com/2010/03/20/making-a-hyperboloid-out-of-skewers-and-rubber-bands/__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!5f2Ky5J7-0n2oAtHObZ8ORPtWIVeM2loLfQQxJ3WcQmJWm_H-52Fr-drpqLO-EE6AshJO9Ps1w$>>)

        A bunch of long straight drilled holes, at an angle and an
        offset from the
        nozzle axis, outline a fairly nice nozzle shape and can serve
        as cooling
        passages for it.  The trick is accurately drilling long holes;
        "gun
        drilling" is the generic term for this.

        And of course, if you can do that for the nozzle throat, you
        could go
        whole hog by drilling passages in a cylindrical chamber and a
        conical
        nozzle extension, with the ends matching up to the throat
        passages.

        I'd say aluminum is an under-appreciated material for
        engines.  You really
        have to cool it well, because it loses strength so rapidly as
        it heats up,
        but its thermal conductivity is far better than steel's, which
        helps.
        (Not as good as copper's, admittedly, but it's also rather
        lighter.)

        Henry


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