[argyllcms] Re: sample pack paper
- From: adam k <aak1946@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:54:25 -0500
One more question about 3880. Do you have to anything to print B&W?
A Kielcz
On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Alan Goldhammer <agoldhammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
First to Adam and others interested in the Epson 3880. I've had mine for 2
years now and it works every time I turn it on. I sometimes go for a month
or so without printing anything and I never have had a nozzle clog over
this entire period of time. I'm now on my third set of inks and it's
trouble free. I don't have any need to print larger than 17 inches wide
and for 17x25 inch, I cut sheets from paper rolls. I don't think that you
can go wrong with this printer!
Tomasz, use '-g51' in targen to get the B/W steps. I use an i1 Pro to read
targets. You are correct that the ABW print driver is calibrated for Epson
inks. It's easy enough to create ABW profiles which will give you a
slightly better linear response in the midrange tones. I use Argyll as
follows to generate either a 21 or 51 step B/W gradient: targen –v –d0 –G
–e1 –s21(51) PrinterA and then read the patches to get the density readings
which can then be put into the QTR script tool to get the profile.
With respect to papers, I use Ilford Gold Fiber Silk and Museo Silver Rag,
both 'glossy' and Canson Rag Photographique and Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Ultra
Smooth (both matte). I haven't found any other papers that offer a better
performance than these.
Alan
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Behalf Of *Tomasz Danus
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:58 AM
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*Subject:* [argyllcms] Re: sample pack paper
Hi Alan,
I am using very similar photo to evaluate, so that's step is same as yours,
but I really cannot use manufacturer's profile since I am not using Epson
inks and Lyson inks are visibly different.
And you probably right I don't remember the need of preconditioning profile
with epson inks - but one more time different inks and it works better that
way.
How do you add 51 b&w step scale to your total number of patches? What kind
of spectro do you use?
I would fiddle with QTR at some point but for that I would have to go back
to Epson inks. I know that there is a freeware tool that comes with that
rip that allows you to make your own profiles using only b&w patches - but
I haven't seen really simple instruction of how to use it;]
I agree with you that it is much better to use limited number of papers to
know them better but till now I never printed on anything based on baryta
so I ordered 4 different baryta papers (ilford, canson and 2 Hahnemuhle) to
check if I can add one to limited collection of papers I use.
Adam,
Printer works as it should - doesn't takes rolls but one can always cut
paper if you need full17in or panorama longer than A2.
no clogging - worked well with epson inks works fine with lyson inks. I am
very happy with it and if I ever change it, it will be only if this one
dies or I will go for 24in
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On 30 January 2013 14:46, adam k <aak1946@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm thinking to buy 3880. Can you tell your experience with it?
Thank you!
A Kielcz
On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Alan Goldhammer <agoldhammer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Tomasz,
I also have an Epson 3880 printer but only use Epson inks. In evaluating
new papers, I try to keep things simple and always use this standard print
for evaluation:
http://outbackprint.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi049/essay.html It
has everything one needs including a black patch to measure density. I
have found that an 1841 patch set that includes a 51 step B/W scale works
extremely well for me and results in excellent profiles with quite low SEs
on patch reading (almost all my B/W printing is done using the Epson ABW
print driver which gives a measurably better black density and I use Roy
Harrington's QTR to profile papers for this use). Through my testing, I
have not seen the need to use a preconditioning profile approach. Of
course this takes four letter size pages to print out and if you are only
getting five sheets, it's difficult to do much testing. For this reason I
usually rely on the manufacturer's profile to do the initial test to see if
I really like the paper. This is fine for the first pass since I only look
at surface texture and some of the physical attributes of the paper. If I
am satisfied that this is a paper I will do a lot of printing on and
customers would like I will then go the full route of preparing my own
profile. I have to say that I really have not found that any new papers
are better than the ones that I have been using over the last several
years, it's far better to keep things relatively simple in terms of paper
selection as one can go crazy with all of the options out there.
I hope this helps.
Alan
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Behalf Of *Tomasz Danus
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:24 AM
*To:* argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [argyllcms] sample pack paper
Dear All,
I am seeking advice. I am waiting for a samples of 4 papers - 5 x A4 sheets
each.
My plan is to make simple profile and 3 prints of photos very well known to
me - to evaluate.
What would be a better approach?
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