I think You'd better go 882 patches directly if the printer response about normal without any profile. But if the tonal response ("gamma") of the printer isn't normal and the printing without profile requires heavy gamma correction, it would be better to perform prelaminary profiling. Среда, 30 января 2013, 11:24 UTC от Tomasz Danus :>> Dear All,>> I am seeking advice. I am waiting for a samples of 4 papers - 5 x A4 sheets> each.> My plan is to make simple profile and 3 prints of photos very well known to me> - to evaluate.>> What would be a better approach?>> -1x A4 and 441 patches to make pre-conditioning profile> followed by 1x A4 and 441 patches for final profile >> -or should I forget about pre-conditioning profile> and just go for 882 patches?>>> Why bother with pre-conditioning profile at all - well it works very well with> my normal procedure and that is: >> - 1 x A4 page - 441 patches for a pre-conditioning profile.> - then 4 x A4 pages - 1764 patches for final profile.>> I use profiles to make colour and b&w prints from 3880 and Lyson inks,> Adobe Lightroom and mostly relative colorimetric intent.> Softpoofs are viewed on Eizo CG series monitor (previous model with VA panel)> All profiling and calibrating is made with CM Photo.> Results are pleasing and predictable and that's what important to me.>> Command lines:>> targen -v -d2 -G -f441 PREprofilname> printtarg -v -ii1 -t -C -pA4 PREprofilname> chartread -v -H -B PREprofilname> colprof -v -y PREprofilname>> targen -v -d2 -G -f 1764 -c PREprofilname.icm profilname> printtarg -v -ii1 -t -C -pA4 profilname> chartread -v -H -B profilname> colprof -v -qh -y -D profilname -cmd -dpp profilname>> And as always if you think my procedure can be improved please> let me know. >> -- > t.danus@xxxxxxxxx> Skype:> Ithilstone