This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/7/28.html#000005 Yes, all the 'groups' have trademark and copyrights on their logos, and yes, they 'do' license the images. BUT this is NOT to mean you cannot do work for the local groups. The companies that pay for the 'license' make up all kinds of products to SELL to the groups-they are not doing 'custom' work like you do. They would have a full catalog of 'authorized' products that they paid a fee to be able to MARKET like any catalog sales company. Jackets, mugs, frisbees, you name it-they'll have it. For 'our' purpose-you are getting a custom order for a particular item for the sole use of your local club-you aren't selling them something you already have done in bulk, so to speak-they are coming to you for a custom order. As long as they supply the 'national approved' logo/artwork, and the order is placed by an OFFICER or authorized member with permission to do so-you can take the order. Same with any auto dealer (Ford, Jeep, etc.) they all have the license to use the national logo FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE. But if YOU produce sweatshirts, for example with 'Elks' or 'Ford' logo on it-to sell to anyone walking through the door-that's a violation of the copyright/trademark-because an authorized person of that company or group did not ORDER the items from you. All groups and franchise businesses will have an 'advertising packet' full of authorized logos, PMT's, artwork, ad layouts, etc. with instructions on what they are authorized to use them for. Usually in a civic group, the 'secretary' person will have that info and not even know it. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================