Can I use Tearaway backing? Will cut-away bother them once on their heads? Well right now only 1 out of the 4 NIKE caps from SanMar comes without the swoosh in the back too, and wouldn't you know it that is the one out of the four the least liked because of the bigger swoosh on the cap front. The other 3 only has a small one on the bill and on the back. I have now left them to ponder that bad news.. From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Body Cover Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:36 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers.com] Re: Nike hat backs hooping ideas Well that makes a difference, I was thinking they just needed there name on the back with nothing special. In this case you can do it the same but I wouldn't arc it. And with the serifs it may be a little trickier to sew it small. But I don't see why you couldn't do it. you might try a 65/9 needle with your standard thread, it tends to make those fine detail hold up better. It would really be good to go through and make sure the layout paths well so that you have a minimum of cleaning, and with serif letters you can usually get away with the letters being connected without cleaning in between. Sincerely, Ron Vinyard Body Cover Design 420 SW H Street Grants Pass, OR 97526-2532 541-471-1504 1-888-435-0176 Fax 541-471-0427 www.bodycoverdesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Garifi <mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:28 PM Subject: [amayausers.com] Re: Nike hat backs hooping ideas Ron Go to www.bostonscientific.com and it the top left hand corner is exactly how it needs to look, font and all. They are very picky about it being altered in anyway. Debbie From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Body Cover Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:20 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers.com] Re: Nike hat backs hooping ideas Well as far as the layout that's pretty simple, if its just block lettering I would keep it at less than half inch for each line. set the arc for 3.5" I would hoop some cutaway backing, then center the hoop then use a sharpie to mark where the laser dot starts. when your done with the sew cut out the sample, place it on the back of the hat and get the placement where you want now take note of where the laser dot will hit so you can adjust each hat until the dot touches that point. another way is you can physically move the design up above center in design shop then make sure that the dot touches the very bottom of the hat back that way the placement is the same each time and then moving the hoop until the dot is eyeballed to center and just touching the bottom of the hat you can cruise through them pretty fast. As far as doing them yourself, at 1200 spm a 4000 stitch design should be around 3 minutes or so. 3 min X 500 hats is 1500 minutes divided by 2 machines is 750 minutes per machine and divided by 60 leaves you at 12.5 hours per machine. so if you can do them in 2 straight days that gives you extra time for problems. thread breaks and maybe even a bathroom break! Good Luck Sincerely, Ron Vinyard Body Cover Design 420 SW H Street Grants Pass, OR 97526-2532 541-471-1504 1-888-435-0176 Fax 541-471-0427 www.bodycoverdesign.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Garifi <mailto:debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: [amayausers.com] Re: Nike hat backs hooping ideas Hi Ron, How would I do it on the back if they want "Boston Scientific" stacked on the back, not on one line and arched? Thanks Debbie From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Body Cover Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:01 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers.com] Nike hat backs hooping ideas Hey Debbie For hat backs I thought I'd send this out for you or anyone interested, Couldn't post it to the website since I don't see a way to add attachments. When we do hat backs, especially lettering only, we built a jig out of plywood that hangs off the end of the table and is held by a "C" clamp. it is about the size of a 15cm hoop and we use it for hat backs. I attached photos that I just took to explain. A- shows the hooping board as you can see it's far from perfect and round, but it lets the hat fall down and out of the way, B- We take the hoop ring and use a couple of push pins to butt it up to. so that the placement is close every time. C- undo the buckle form the hat or whatever closure you have, lay it over the hoop ring and then you can make a mark with a sharpie to keep the hat back in roughly the same spot each time. you'll also notice we DON'T use backing, waste of time and money for us on simple hat backs (Just my opinion) saves a lot of time on cleanup. D- place the top hoop over the top and push the end without hat in first. Do your best to rotate the hoop wings to be at a 90 degree angle with the back seam if not perfect it's ok. Make sure that the hoop isn't super tight, just snug! When I get the hat on the machine I reach underneath and grab the hoop ring and slightly twist it until the seam is as close to 90 degrees with the thread grabber blade. If the seam isn't straight and it curves a little it's OK just make sure that the part closest to the bottom is at the 90 degree angle since that's where you'll be sewing. Always trace and move the hoop to the left or right until the laser dot starts on the seam, so that the design centers and then even thought the trace line may go below the hat bottom make sure you know how far it should rise from the top of the hat back opening. It takes a few to get it down but soon you can be racing through hats. at only 3500 stitches you can hardly hoop fast enough for two machines. Always start with 2 hats hooped, when the first machine is halfway done sewing stat the second and immediately get the next hat hooped. when your first is done pop it off and set it aside, then out on the new one and set it and start it. The important part is to keep an eye on bobbins and keep the machines running as often as possible, Cleanup comes when your ready for the next hat. pop it out of the hoop and hoop the next one, cleanup at the end of the day or at home later if needed. or take the time to have the machine trim where it needs to and when they are done sewing put them in the box for delivery, the extra minute or two gives you time to be ready with the next hat. You'll be surprised at how quickly you can knock out hat backs, it will keep you hopping. If anyone's interested I can send a photo of our hat cleaning jig so you can use two hands to clean hats one for tweezers and one for scissors. Sincerely, Ron Vinyard Body Cover Design 420 SW H Street Grants Pass, OR 97526-2532 541-471-1504 1-888-435-0176 Fax 541-471-0427 www.bodycoverdesign.com