MessageAs far as the arc on the cap back....you can place the cap on your scanner and then save the image as a JPEG or lay the cap down on a piece of clean typing paper and trace the arc, scan that and save it, digitize or key type your lettering and set it to match the arc in the graphic , etc.......this will give you an exact match to the particular stype of cap you are playing with...... Rod Embroidery Cottage Rod & Sharon Springer Melco Trained Amaya Tech/Trainer Design Shop Pro+ Digitizing Boise, ID 83713 208-938-3038 ----- Original Message ----- From: Linen Barn To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hat Backs When I do my hat backs I don't worry so much about the arc being exactly the same as the hats. I just set most hats up at 3" on the arc and let em go. Never had any complaints and I do hat backs on 80% of my hats. As far as the cap frames we use WACF on our 2 head tajima and they work great. We use the conventional frames on our Melco's cause they are faster to hoop and seem to sew better on taller designs. Aaron Sargent The Linen Barn linen@xxxxxxxxxxx Medford, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Peachey Threads To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: [amayausers] Hat Backs I have been reading some of the talk about hat backs. Maybe I am naive to what the problems are but I am really curious about what several of you are encountering. Here is the scoop. When I purchased my Amayas I did not like the WACF hat frames............but determined myself to get use to them. I embroider all my hats with them AND the hat backs. The only issues that seem to come up is when doing the hat back I watch to see that the bill of the hat is not hitting on the AMAYA table and throw registration off. Also, in order to get the right curve for the hat back (for the traditional style w/ opening in the back).......I digitize on screen (usually lettering).....give it my best "eyeball judgement of a curve"..........print out a paper copy.......cut it out........check the curve on the hat........make adjustments.......print out a paper copy again. Most of the time I get it on the second try. I also determined myself not to use any thing that has the word "sticky back" in it. TEE HEE! I actually have come to like the WACP hat frames. Does this sound crazy? Regards, Karen Peachey Peachey Threads Embroidery & Digitizing (503) 634-2912 It is the Peach