Yes Ed, I am talking low profile unstructured. When I do the hat back I do use one layer med. weight tear away for hats (already cut 4" wide). For the fronts I use two layers. When the hat is structured I often times use no backing. Regards, Karen Peachey Peachey Threads Embroidery & Digitizing (503) 634-2912 It is the Peach -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E. Orantes Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:44 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hat Backs WACF = Wide Angle Cap Frame (cap front and both sides - 270 degree rotation) CCF = Conventional Cap Frame (cap fronts only) Ed & Maralien Orantes E.M. Broidery 900 Terry Parkway, Ste. 200 New Orleans, La. 70056 504-EMBROID ery (504-362-7643) -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roland R. Irish III Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:59 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: Hat Backs Karen...are you sewing on the low profile unstructured 'washed canvas' type of hats? That's why I stopped using the WACF frame-the hat material was just floating all over the place and detail registration was a joke. For the 'flexfit' hats, structured high and mid profiles-it worked okay, but when we bought the CC whatever it is hat frame it makes it much easier-although very limited stitch area and sides and backs are not possible. I might try my 4" inch hoop on a back and see what happens-those washed canvas hats are flexible and soft enough I hooped it with no trouble but didn't try sewout on it yet. Roland From: "Peachey Threads" <karen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:41:41 -0700 To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [amayausers] Hat Backs I have been reading some of the talk about hat backs. Maybe I am naive to what the problems are but I am really curious about what several of you are encountering. Here is the scoop. When I purchased my Amayas I did not like the WACF hat frames............but determined myself to get use to them. I embroider all my hats with them AND the hat backs. The only issues that seem to come up is when doing the hat back I watch to see that the bill of the hat is not hitting on the AMAYA table and throw registration off. Also, in order to get the right curve for the hat back (for the traditional style w/ opening in the back).......I digitize on screen (usually lettering).....give it my best "eyeball judgement of a curve"..........print out a paper copy.......cut it out........check the curve on the hat........make adjustments.......print out a paper copy again. Most of the time I get it on the second try. I also determined myself not to use any thing that has the word "sticky back" in it. TEE HEE! I actually have come to like the WACP hat frames. Does this sound crazy? Regards, Karen Peachey Peachey Threads Embroidery & Digitizing (503) 634-2912 It is the Peach