[adsi] Re: [them] Arctic ice cap oscillations have happened before
- From: "Ken Schmahl, P.E." <kschmahl@xxxxxxxx>
- To: adsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:58:22 -0800
Unfortunately Belinda puts Fox news on the TV, sometimes to find out what
they're saying, sometimes just as background noise. Unfortunately, with my
ADD, I cannot ignore the screen. I see far more of Fox than I want to.
I am *SOOO* glad I bought a two-story house.
On 11/16/07, Milton Scritsmier <Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> How often do you actually watch Fox News? Or did before you gave up on
> them?
>
> But that's why I included the JPL link since I figured you wouldn't give
> Fox any credibility. :-)
>
> Ken Schmahl, P.E. wrote:
> > Fox news! Well, I won't have to read the article then to believe 'em.
> >
> > Sorry, but Fox has lost its credibility. I'll have to go back to the
> > original studies to get the truth on this.
> >
> > To be clear, I'm bitter about Fox News, and not you Milt.
> > ks
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/07, *Milton Scritsmier* <Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > <mailto:Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >
> > Once again, scientific results are coming in showing that the
> > interaction between the climate and mankind is not nearly so
> > simple as "An Inconvenient Truth" would have us believe. This
> > time it has to do with the shrinking of the arctic ice cap over
> > the last few decades (and by the way, how often do you hear
> > that the antarctic ice cap is now at a maximum?). According to
> > two independent scientific studies, it appears that the arctic
> > ice cap has gone through rapid periods of shrinking and
> > expanding over at least the last few hundred years, well before
> > mankind had any real effect on the climate.
> >
> > For a quick overview of the first study, here is what Fox News
> > Channel's "Grapevine" on "Special Report with Brit Hume" had to
> > say:
> >
> > ===
> >
> > What NASA Says Is Really Happening to the Arctic Ice Cap
> >
> > Friday, November 16, 2007
> >
> > By Brit Hume
> > Fox News Channel
> >
> > Perfectly Natural
> >
> > Many global warming activists point to changes in the arctic
> > icecap as proof of the dangerous effects of man-made global
> > warming. Now a report from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > says those changes are in fact the result of natural ocean
> > circulation patterns. A team of scientists used satellite and
> > deep-sea pressure gauge data to monitor ocean patterns.
> >
> > Says team leader James Morison of the University of
> > Washington's Polar Science Center — "Our study confirms many
> > changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s
> > were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by
> > global warming."
> >
> > ===
> >
> > The "Grapevine" report does leave out that Dr. Morison believes
> > that mankind-induced global warming is accelerating the
> > oscillations in the arctic ice cap. The JPL news release on Dr.
> > Morison's findings is at
> >
> > http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-131
> >
> > Significantly, another independent study also shows that the
> > arctic ice cap has gone through rapid oscillations. Dr. Simon
> > Belt and his team from the University of Plymouth in England
> > looked for a particular lipid produced by an algae that can
> > only live in sea ice. As this lipid is produced, it drifts down
> > to the ocean bottom and becomes embedded in the sediment. As
> > the sediment builds up over time, the amount of this lipid in
> > each layer of the sediment gives an indication of the amount of
> > algae at that time, and hence the amount of sea ice. By
> > collecting various "sediment cores" and measuring the lipid,
> > Dr. Belt and his team have found that the arctic ice cap has
> > varied greatly in the last several hundred years. Dr. Belt
> > believes that mankind's recent changes to the environment may
> > be making it harder for arctic ice to recover from its latest
> > retreat. But he also notes that "Significantly, periods of sea
> > ice cover frequently coincide with dramatic changes to human
> > populations due to famines and illnesses." In other words,
> > whether or not mankind is changing the climate, the climate
> > still has had a powerful effect on mankind.
> >
> > A good article about Dr. Belt's research can be found at
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7044808.stm
> >
> > If you get HDNet on satellite or cable, check out this week's
> > "Dan Rather Reports" entitled "A Crack in the Ice". There's an
> > interview with Dr. Belt on the research vessel where he did his
> > study discussing his results and showing his team collecting
> > and analyzing sediment.
> >
> >
> >
>
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