[adsi] Re: [them] Arctic ice cap oscillations have happened before

  • From: "Ken Schmahl, P.E." <kschmahl@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: adsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:25:09 -0800

it's late, and I confess I didn't read it all -- though I got through your
last part.  I will say, though, that Keith Olbermann, for the most part, is
right on, and for the least part is far better than Bill O'Reilly at his
least part.

I will be fair, though.  They all sling mud.  But is it from the high ground
or the mud pits?

OK, I paused after writing the above.  And the short issue I have with
O'Reilly and why I support Olbermann is that O'Reilly is willing to defend
Bush while he stomps all over my civil liberties like McCarthy did while
Olbermann is willing to stand up to that abuse like Murrow did.  Which one
is the journalist?

More fodder for the fire.  That's why I made this ADSI alias!

On Nov 18, 2007 12:10 AM, Milton Scritsmier <
Milton_Scritsmier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ken Schmahl, P.E. wrote:
> > to finish what Gmail rudely interrupted...
> >
> > All I know is, CNN and MSNBC have no Bill O'Reillys.
> CNN's people generally have good journalistic standards even though they
>  lean to the left. Every so often I see an excellent news report from
> them that Fox would never do (and vice-versa from Fox). MSNBC, on the
> other hand, is far worse than either Fox or CNN. You think O'Reilly is
> bad? Consider Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann, for example.
> > Even their worst
> > can't hold a candle to that dog.  Surely you recognize him for what he
> is?
> >
> Once again, I have to ask how often you actually watch "The Factor".
> Most people who never watch "The Factor" think O'Reilly is some kind of
> right wing kook. Actually, he's a populist who sometimes caters too much
> to getting an audience. Many of his views are not what you expect from a
> right wing extremist. For example, he was on Bush's case for fumbling
> the war two or three years ago, well before the rest of the Fox anchors
> (but well after your liberal friends, of course). Just like you, every
> time the price of oil goes up he blames it on the oil companies (in
> fact, he has a running battle on this with Neil Cavuto, Fox's business
> guru). He believes in civil unions for gays and gay adoption rather than
> keeping kids in orphanages. Civil rights topics are common and the
> racial makeup of his guests is far more diverse than his audience and
> perhaps even more diverse than the US population at large. He actively
> seeks guests whose opinions are the extreme opposite of his own. He has
> a good sense of humor, even at his own expense at times. Every week he
> has an ombudsman segment where he answers viewer criticisms head on.
> None of this is what you would expect from a close-minded extreme right
> winger.
> But like many populists he's also hypersensitive to personal criticism.
> He can bully his guests, shutting them down harshly at times if they
> don't want to talk about what he wants to talk about. He often gets into
> "campaign mode" where some moral issue or another occupies him for weeks
> on end. Sometimes this is good (like helping get "Jessica's Law" passed
> in as many states as possible), but sometimes he loses all objectivity.
> Last spring he got on Boulder's case for forcing Boulder High School
> students to attend a seminar with panelists who held extreme and
> ridiculous views about sexuality and drugs. He did a good thing in
> holding some Boulder public employees' feet to the fire (that never
> happens here locally), but in doing so he did take some of the
> panelist's comments out of context to force his point, something he
> denies to this day. And he tried to paint this issue as part of a
> national secular progressive plot to take over the minds of the nation's
> kids. The truth is that many Boulder residents come here to get away
> from what they see as an oppressive right wing world and build their own
> private (and, yes, secular progressive) utopia. This includes raising
> their kids the way they see fit, the same as elsewhere. Nobody here
> cares very much about taking over the minds of all the kids in America.
> And it's far from perfect here, as you've heard me complain many times.
> So when O'Reilly got on Boulder's case, to the people here it looked
> like the right wing America they had fled had come to invade their turf.
> Of course their hackles were raised, and nobody here could ever admit
> that maybe, just maybe O'Reilly had some valid points. O'Reilly never
> understood this, or if he did he chose not to acknowledge this because
> he was pursuing his own agenda.
> So yeah, I think I do recognize O'Reilly for what he is. ;-)

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